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Old 30th Jun 2019, 08:21
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post

Got a problem with cig butts outside hospitals? Invest in a couple of ashtrays as well as the signs.
See McD answer above.
If they do use the bin it is often to stub it out and leave it on top.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 09:29
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Originally Posted by Bull at a Gate View Post
Mrs Bull and I spend a lot of time driving to and from work. We are constantly on the lookout for drivers who are smoking. We watch them closely and if we see him or her throw the butt out the window we report it to the EPA. We have made 12 reports so far and only had to go to court once (the defendant didnít bother to turn up).
I actually thought you were joking as I was reading this, but having read to the end, I now believe you are actually serious, and you actually do go to court to give evidence after watching closely specifically to witness a discarded cigarette butt.

I hate littering as much as the next person, however it is the larger, non-degradable plastic stuff that offends me more than the easily degradable fibrous fag butts, which are quite tiny by comparison. In any case, there's a far simpler way to deal with scrotes that discard litter, in a more immediate and immensely more satisfying way than wasting my own time traipsing off to court!
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 09:33
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Iím guessing that, since BaaG lives in Oz, discarded cigarette butts have a slightly more conflagrational effect than in cooler, wetter climes.

Maybe the butt itself isnít the problem, but the resultant potential wildfire could be?

Again, donít get me started on litter louts. It drives me insane. Where I work currently (Oman) there is a real issue. Also, if you want to know where a large proportion of the ocean waste comes from look no further than fisherman. @rseholes, the lot of them.

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Old 30th Jun 2019, 09:40
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Originally Posted by Bull at a Gate View Post
Here in Oz we are encouraged to report littering from cars. The registered owner gets a fine in the post which he/she can avoid by nominating the person who was in charge of the vehicle on the relevant day. If the littering is denied then the matter goes to court where a magistrate hears evidence from the witness and defendant and decides whether guilt has been proved.

Mrs Bull and I spend a lot of time driving to and from work. We are constantly on the lookout for drivers who are smoking. We watch them closely and if we see him or her throw the butt out the window we report it to the EPA. We have made 12 reports so far and only had to go to court once (the defendant didnít bother to turn up).

Itís good for the streetscape, helps reduce risk of bushfires and keeps us entertained in peak hour traffic.
What do you do for fun?
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 09:41
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I also follow the same practice as Mr. & Mrs. Bull, but have never had to go to court. Once, when riding a motor bike, I returned an unextinguished cigarette butt to the car.
My son-in-law is even more fanatical than me and has gone to court once.

This afternoon, I went for a walk in the local bush, and some piece of ordure has thrown a 3 seater lounge into the bush. I shall report it to the local council, who will remove it, but probably have no luck in finding the dumper.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 09:42
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There is an easy way to reduce fast food litter, especially from people at the drive through.

Every order has a unique bar code or number, when the occupant of the vehicle pays for their food, the vehicle registration plate is photographed.
The order is then linked to the vehicle and the card.
When the offender drops their litter, they receive a large fine in the post from the council.
Some of the profit is given back to the fast food company, so their shareholders will like it.
The photo of the vehicle could also be added to the bag the food came in.
Relatively inexpensive and would cut down on the litter quickly.

I drive an old transit at times. I have bumped a couple of vehicles in traffic lights when the owner has thrown a cigarette butt out of the car.
When the owner has gotten there is no damage and I remind them that they shouldn't be dropping litter.

Caught a bloke fly-tipping outside my business once...made him pick up the articles and put them back in his car, when said van was ready to push his car into the ditch.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 09:43
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Originally Posted by ZFT View Post
What do you do for fun?
The action you ignore is the action you accept. Many of us find littering unacceptable.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 09:48
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Originally Posted by pilotmike View Post
I actually thought you were joking as I was reading this, but having read to the end, I now believe you are actually serious, and you actually do go to court to give evidence after watching closely specifically to witness a discarded cigarette butt.

I hate littering as much as the next person, however it is the larger, non-degradable plastic stuff that offends me more than the easily degradable fibrous fag butts, which are quite tiny by comparison. In any case, there's a far simpler way to deal with scrotes that discard litter, in a more immediate and immensely more satisfying way than wasting my own time traipsing off to court!
Yes,but then the bodies would be littering the roadside for a lot longer.And think of the smell !
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 09:49
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Originally Posted by Hydromet View Post
The action you ignore is the action you accept. Many of us find littering unacceptable.
You know nothing about me. However I abhor littering but find the afternoon entertainment actions described as pretty pathetic.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 09:54
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Don't forget the dog walkers who bag up the poo and then throw it into the hedges; cannot understand the mentality of people who do this. The footpath hedges are festooned with plastic bags that will be around for years.....
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 09:59
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An even better solution anyone caught throwing litter about by the authorities, is to have a bin full of rubbish dumped in their house!!. They wouldn't be keen on doing it again.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough View Post
Why it isn't theft I don't know as the trolleys are actually removed from the owners store with the intention of never returning them.
But there is no intention to "permanently deprive" - the supermarket can collect them whenever they like. One mechanism is for the council to collect them, and then sell them back to the supermarkets (ie charge them for collection and storage). These does need a little cooperation from the supermarkets - there are various things the council can threaten, from an ASBO to refusal of planning permission for any future shops, but none of them is a particularly strong hand.

As students it was not unknown to wheel our shopping all the way back to college in a supermarket trolley, and then store it somewhere safe until the next person wanted to go to the supermarket.

You'd think on the roof of the college would count as "somewhere safe" but, oh no, one day the porters went up there, and, unlike the students, couldn't work out how to get them down again in one piece, so just chucked them off the roof to be destroyed when they hit the concrete two floors below.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 11:04
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Anti -gravity exists!
Well, how else is it easy to carry full water bottles/beer cans UP the hill, but far to difficult to carry the empties DOWN?
BUT
Found a stack of litter once, owner readily identifiable from the documents included in the heap. But the owner was not the culprit - his car had been stolen and the thief was tidying it up/clearing it out for sale.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 11:12
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Our PCSO has asked for photographs of litter AND the time stamp on receipts (we only have one shop). He reckons the litterers will be creatures of habit returning to the shop same time/same day.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 11:22
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Cigarette filters take up to 15 years to degrade, this is from Wiki:


Cigarette butts are the most common form of anthropogenic (man-made) litter in the world, as approximately 5.6 trillion cigarettes are smoked every year worldwide.[22] Of those it is estimated that 4.5 trillion cigarette butts become litter every year.[23] The cellulose acetate fibers used as the predominant filter material do not readily biodegrade because of the acetyl groups on the cellulose backbone which in itself can quickly be degraded by various microorganisms employing cellulases.[24] A normal life span of a discarded filter is thought to be up to 15 years.[25]
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 12:06
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Of course in our day nobody ever dropped any litter!

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Old 30th Jun 2019, 13:34
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We holidayed at an apartment in Spain. Ground floor, small walled patio and communal pool right next to it. Despite notices to the contrary a British family would allow their three children to play unaccompanied. Now the children were no bother but, like every child, they would discard toys and sandals etc throughout the day.

At day's end there would be arm bands, sandals, inflatables, goggles, sharks and sundry toys around the lawn. Later some one would go out and collect this detrious and store it in an empty garden. Next day parents would go to the shops and buy replacements. This went on for a few days the pile of contraband getting larger and the parents seemingly oblivious.

No need to say that both parties were Brits.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 13:42
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At least now , MCd do deliveries, which is great as a lot of the litter round here is from the fat wasters that frequent it.
Iíd register each bag individually as they are purchased so you can trace them back.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 14:05
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Originally Posted by megan View Post
Way to go..
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 16:38
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Our PCSO has asked for photographs of litter AND the time stamp on receipts (we only have one shop). He reckons the litterers will be creatures of habit returning to the shop same time/same day.
There is a story that in one Welsh village the postmistress writes the name of the purchasing child on each chocolate bar (etc) wrapper. There is no litter in that village.
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