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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 11:43
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Being born in the UK does not relieve a family system of the troubles of immigrating, when the original immigrant generation have chosen not to complete their migration process i.e. adapt. They remain in-betweens, and so do their children.
Bearing that in mind, I would have to say that every conurbation of a certain size in the UK is facing terminal decline, as integration just doesn't appear to be happening and what with the wonders of modern technology 'we' can carry on watching/listening/talking in our own language and customs as though we were still in the old country, with the locals being too polite to scold us for not conforming to their society and it's mores. I don't fully understand why anyone would want to move lock stock and barrel to a chosen new country and not want to become as local as possible. Those that do are able to have a much more satisfying quality of life compared to those that live in a bubble of their own making. This applies to all countries and immigrants btw, not specific to old blighty.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 12:05
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post
why do some migrants who remain close to their parents or grandparents countries of origin seem to adapt better than others and largely are not keen on violence ?
My bet is on three factors:
1. does the original culture emphasizes some variant of good citizenship/collective interest as opposed to clan structure
2. did the migration have something to do with total disintegration of state and morals in home country
3. are the boys restricted in their relation to the outside world (cause the girls always seem to be), or are they "let loose" as roamers/recon/guards of the clan, towards society

The first will make it easier to be productive and functioning, the second will determine how many weirded out people you have in your community and the third will basically determine if your family will, as an example, support the teacher or their son when he is unruly, aggressive and calls teacher a c*. There are positively parents who will choose their boys "honour" over backing the school up in such a situation. Not being unveiled as a moron is being more important than the chance for an education (may make sense in some countries where an education and job are a matter of connections and nepotism - these people will not always be geared to believe in own efforts and responsibility, or the worth of functioning in school altogether).

The standing inside the family clan is extremely important for some cultures. If their families where TRULY opposed to their boys being knife thugs, it wouldn't happen. I am not saying they WANT them to be, but some aspect of this "I am constantly checking the territory, trying to hustle for my people, 100% loyal to my brothers and nobody will provoke my honour" kind of lifestyle seems ok with them. As a comparison, Vietnamese tend to Tiger Mom their kids through school and certainly won´t have them hang out in the streets at midnight.

Of course all of this gets worse when they are in fact without clan guidance (unaccompanied minors, absent fathers) and try to form one with other teenagers, and according to some sick street logic.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 22:54
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Anyone care to call this 'integrating'?
MEP representing Green Party says "I don't have the privilege to hide my identity. I'm BLACK and my name is Magid.
"I don't intend to fit in. Get used to it"! He was attending the EU parliament wearing a baseball cap and a T shirt with anti-fascist slogans on it.
(Seen on BBC News on line).
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 09:15
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The truth is the truth, the truth can’t be racist , it has no bias, no prejudice .
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 09:46
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Originally Posted by Blossy View Post
Anyone care to call this 'integrating'?
MEP representing Green Party says "I don't have the privilege to hide my identity. I'm BLACK and my name is Magid.
"I don't intend to fit in. Get used to it"! He was attending the EU parliament wearing a baseball cap and a T shirt with anti-fascist slogans on it.
(Seen on BBC News on line).
Remind me again which group were messing about turning their backs on the EU anthem etc, and generally not fitting in? Or does it only count for certain demographics?
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 12:55
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post


Remind me again which group were messing about turning their backs on the EU anthem etc, and generally not fitting in? Or does it only count for certain demographics?
Could you remind us why the EU has an anthem. Which countries signed up to approve this and which Treaty was used to give it authority?

It would appear that despite being rejected by national Gov'ts, it has been slyly brought in to the EU.

The Council for Europe did approve it's use though.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 13:18
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I'm more interested in the what the EU National animal is.
..........Or the bird.

The US almost adopted the turkey as the National Bird way back, but went with the eagle instead.
So, the turkey is free.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 13:19
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Surely it would be a wombat.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 14:51
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Can't understand taking a huge salary from the EU and then turning your back on the anthem. Biting the hand that feeds you?
Give back the salary first, surely, no?
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 15:21
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
Can't understand taking a huge salary from the EU and then turning your back on the anthem. Biting the hand that feeds you?
Give back the salary first, surely, no?
The EU do not have money. They take it, with agreement, from the countries who are net beneficiaries, i.e. The UK.

So in reality, UK tax payers are paying the wages of the MEPs, (plus other beneficiaries)./
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 16:16
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It's all genetic really. Many many genetic variants arose out of the original African homo sapiens.
Some were well adapted to their environment and some were less.
Some moved and adapted, some moved and didn't. The adapted did better.

The last Ice Age triggered population movements. H. sapiens exploded out of the Middle East (the fertile crescent) in a vast diaspora.
The human population of Earth at the start of the last ice age was 1-10 million, by the time it was ending it was half a billion.

Adaptation is the the key to success of a society. Some adapted and became more successful, others did not - they are now being reluctantly rescued by the successful.

Etc etc.

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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 16:17
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So no answer to the concept of whether turning your back on a bit of ceremony is fitting in - it seems that if you don’t like something then anything goes! Perhaps if MrMagid had worn a “Nige is God - f**k the EU” t-shirt then all would have been well?
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 16:54
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post


Could you remind us why the EU has an anthem. Which countries signed up to approve this and which Treaty was used to give it authority?

It would appear that despite being rejected by national Gov'ts, it has been slyly brought in to the EU.

The Council for Europe did approve it's use though.
Well that just shows what cads and bounders these foreign types are ! .......fancy adopting a very nice piece of music for their own selfish needs....

As far as I am aware, this inspirational piece hasn't been approved either.......it's considerably more vibrant than the funereal dirge you doubtless stand rigidly attention to .....one doesn't you understand.....and it's unlikely ever to be approved by the establishment luddites in London. .....


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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 18:54
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A lot, if not all, of these recent London incidents involve the Afro-Caribbean community in London and these folk are second or third generation Brits, this is NOT an immigration issue, it is an education and cultural isolation issue that retreat from this ridiculous Govt policy of austerity would go a long way to solving.
Is it my imagination or are a lot of white kids adopting Afro Caribbean accents; certainly there's a definite trend for TV adverts to be overlaid with what I believe is referred to as 'rap' music.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 21:29
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funny you mention that. I noticed the same thing during my time in Germany. Youngsters (usually of the not-so-sophisticated type) would copy a certain kind of accent typical for Turkish or ME migrants. Ghetto cool? It was particularly present in Hip Hop music, I guess in an attempt to give it underdog credibility. Later noticed the same in Scandinavian Hip Hop. Like they dont want to be themselves, or believe they need to fake ghetto style to do Hip Hop?
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 22:15
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
and it's unlikely ever to be approved by the establishment luddites in London. .....
Nor by a significant proportion of we Scots.

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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 22:24
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Curious Pax posted :Remind me again which group were messing about turning their backs on the EU anthem etc, and generally not fitting in? Or does it only count for certain demographics?

As a matter of fact my attention was taken by the Lib Dems wearing yellow shirts with Bollocks to Brexit emblazoned on them. Now tell me which way is necessary to stand when anthems are played?

KnC has his opinions but only a minute percentage on here will agree with them.
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