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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:08
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Mark Field ejects protester

Finally someone takes positive action to show that not all protests are acceptable.

Mark Field ejects protester
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:25
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Heavy handed but understandable reaction.
No surprise that the protesters sent in a woman as they understandably thought her more likely to reach the stage.
Given the recent level of environmental protest and Hammond’s comments on the £1 trillion cost of being “Carbon 0” by 2050, where was the Mansion House security?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:36
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Big fail here was obviously down to whoever was running security..

However if I did what is shown on video to an unknown individual walking past me at my place of work ( an airport) I would be looking at being questioned over possible assault (possibly more), and FWIW a while back a colleague of mine was warned off by the police because he was in danger of getting "interactive" with protestors who had got airside.

Out of interest what would the team consider as being an "excessive reaction" these days and do our elected representatives now get a free reign to look right hard and go all Marc Francois these days, especially if it's a woman involved?

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:41
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Replication of posts is common here on JB, and is far from unique because this happens on many sites irrespective of the topic.

Consequently, I posted this on the Climate change protest thread because it was relevant . However, as you have now started a dedicated thread, supportive of assault of a lady, here's my post which I deleted from that thread.......

Whilst we live under a thin veneer of being civilised, when threatened it's only natural that humans revert to basic survival instincts. In this case, not once, but twice.

Note how the selfless hero valiantly defends a room full of innocent people, a George Cross is surely in the offing for this act of valour! , and how the audience applaud his actions....this is true heroism on action !.....but then, comes the second survival act.....the equally valiant self defence of his actions.....again, note how he acted "instinctively " and also his concern the lady could be armed !......she may have been covertly carrying a .50cal machine gun of course......

So a rousing cheer for this fearless example of Tory patriarchal thuggery in action......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48714864
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:56
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Many people certainly will give a rousing cheer. But a really disappointing post, KnC - you failed to mention that some of those present may have been Daily Mail readers.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:05
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Taking the woman by the scruff of the neck and marching her toward the exit may have been understandable. Slapping her into a stone pillar first was less so. If that had been my wife/mother/daughter etc, I would be looking to have a word with Mr. Field.
I have just listened to Peter Bottomley explaining to us ignorant sods how a police officer has no more powers than us common or garden citizens. So, we don't actually need a police force then, as we can all go about arresting people, kicking in doors in the dead of night etc? Surely, he wasn't encouraging us all to become vigilantes?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:06
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When does restraint become assault?
I think we should be told!
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:16
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The bottom line here has to be that the protesters "broke in" to a private event, so their presence inside the building was unauthorised. Clearly the security arrangements failed, but given the situation, and given that it was probably not at all clear initially what this group of intruders were planning to do, was it reasonable to assume initially that they may be intent on causing harm?

We've had several terrorist attacks, where groups of people have intended to kill and injure as many people as possible in the name of their beliefs. Given the high profile of the speakers and audience members, was it reasonable to assume initially that this might be a terrorist attack? Leaving aside any religious prejudice, we've seen lethal attacks carried out by a wide range of people, so I'd say that erring on the side of caution, and initially assuming this might be a terrorist attack, and acting as if it were, seems reasonable. Arguably the protesters should have had the nous to realise that gaining unauthorised entry into an event with senior political figures present might be seen initially as a terrorist threat.

Given Greenpeace's past history, I suspect they may actually have wanted their intrusion to be seen this way, as the press coverage for them would have a higher profile, and ultimately all they care about when pulling stunts like this is publicity.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:21
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Mark Field did exactly the right thing. Any cries of 'assault' are hyperbole and make my ears bleed. This idiot protester being a woman is totally irrelevant and is playing to the victimhood grief-whore industry prevailing in this country.

He used proportionate force to detain and eject an intruder who may have been armed (with a smaller calibre weapon than a .50 cal or a knife FFS!) A totally understandable reaction from him seeing as MPs are routinely attacked with sometimes lethal and more often non-lethal milkshakes etc. Any calls for him to resign are from the opportunists in Labour and whiny snowflake weirdos who don't understand the inherent right to self-defence and proportionate use of force.

There were no coppers around to arrest this idiot. Maybe if they were there, he wouldn't have had to do what he did. The City Police are only embarrassed because they don't like it when people have to enforce the law themselves, thereby drawing unwanted attention to the Police's inability to protect us all properly.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:24
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I'd say that erring on the side of caution, and initially assuming this might be a terrorist attack, and acting as if it were, seems reasonable. Arguably the protesters should have had the nous to realise that gaining unauthorised entry into an event with senior political figures present might be seen initially as a terrorist threat.
Interesting ROE you've got there.

Anyone in the business of providing catering, providing surprise speakers or whatever else gets provided at posh dinners had better provide all attendees with photos of all staff and other guests from now on, just in case somebody can't ID an individual as a "friendly" and decides they had also better err on the side of caution.

Mind how you go, you can't be too careful out there.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:26
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Interesting ROE you've got there.

Anyone in the business of catering, providing surprise speakers or whatever else gets provided at posh dinners had better provide all attendees with photos of all staff and other guests from now on, just in case somebody decides they had also better err on the side of caution.
Very sensible ROE - considering this was a group of MPs and the climate of protest in this country has gotten increasingly violent recently.

You won't mind if I come round your house and barge in shouting at you? And you have NO right to touch me for it? Or I'll call for you to be sacked.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:30
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Do you really think a reported 40 climate change protestors entered the building by sneaking past security? It was an establishment PR stunt, allowing them in to then have Hammond say "but we're dedicated to carbon zero by 2050" and then upping all our taxes. I can't see any security people being fired, can you?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:31
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If we have now reached a situation where it is unacceptable to intercept, remonstrate and frog march a female intruder of private premises we have sent a clear ambivalent message to all would be terrorist groups that if you want to have a successful outcome for your objective, send in a normally dressed woman to do the deed.

Would this MP have been criticised had he acted in the same way with a male intruder? I very much dount it; on the contrary, he would have been probably been lauded as a here.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:39
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He did the right thing ... hope it didn’t interfere too badly with dinner !
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:44
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Mark Field did exactly the right thing. Any cries of 'assault' are hyperbole and make my ears bleed. This idiot protester being a woman is totally irrelevant and is playing to the victimhood grief-whore industry prevailing in this country.

He used proportionate force to detain and eject an intruder who may have been armed (with a smaller calibre weapon than a .50 cal or a knife FFS!) A totally understandable reaction from him seeing as MPs are routinely attacked with sometimes lethal and more often non-lethal milkshakes etc. Any calls for him to resign are from the opportunists in Labour and whiny snowflake weirdos who don't understand the inherent right to self-defence and proportionate use of force.

Nice to see all the chaps engaging in a spot of male bonding in support of his actions.......presumably you are all equally in favour of some gratuitous domestic violence against women as well.

There were no coppers around to arrest this idiot. Maybe if they were there, he wouldn't have had to do what he did. The City Police are only embarrassed because they don't like it when people have to enforce the law themselves, thereby drawing unwanted attention to the Police's inability to protect us all properly.
Can we take it you haven't actually watched the video then ?....this being the reason you consider he used "proportional force " when it's patently obvious he used anything but !.

Clearly, there are, or were, internal security failings which allowed the protestors to gain entry, however, this does not excuse the aggressive and unwarranted assault on the lady. As for the hypothetical, and risible "potential terrorist " suggestion, clearly she was armed to the teeth with a range of weaponry and explosive devices......presumably these have all been edited out of the video to add credence to this hypothesis.?
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
Very sensible ROE - considering this was a group of MPs and the climate of protest in this country has gotten increasingly violent recently.

You won't mind if I come round your house and barge in shouting at you? And you have NO right to touch me for it? Or I'll call for you to be sacked.
Apples and Oranges - What's me being in my own home, knowing for definite who should or should not be in a room got to do with being at a dinner in the Mansion House?

I do wonder what the response here would have been in Anna Soubry had done a Prescott on some of the hecklers she had to deal with a few months back.
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Can we take it you haven't actually watched the video then ?....this being the reason you consider he used "proportional force " when it's patently obvious he used anything but !.

Clearly, there are, or were, internal security failings which allowed the protestors to gain entry, however, this does not excuse the aggressive and unwarranted assault on the lady. As for the hypothetical, and risible "potential terrorist " suggestion, clearly she was armed to the teeth with a range of weaponry and explosive devices......presumably these have all been edited out of the video to add credence to this hypothesis.?
Yes I have seen it this morning. It was totally proportionate. He stopped her, detained her without punching or causing physical injury, and marched her out.
That bag she had could have had any kind of handgun/knife/pepperspray/milkshake. All threats which Mark Field had the right to prevent.
It was the equivalent of a Citizen's arrest that anyone can make in the street against a mugger etc.
The fact she is a 'lady' is irrelevant! I thought that sex wasn't a barrier to anything these days and women are just as capable as men.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:53
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Interesting ROE you've got there.

Anyone in the business of providing catering, providing surprise speakers or whatever else gets provided at posh dinners had better provide all attendees with photos of all staff and other guests from now on, just in case somebody can't ID an individual as a "friendly" and decides they had also better err on the side of caution.

Mind how you go, you can't be too careful out there.

Given that the people attending could reasonably have assumed it would be secured, both by the event host and by the various protection officers that should have been present, then it seems perfectly reasonable for them to initially perceive any unauthorised intrusion to this closed event as being a failure of the security arrangement that had allowed a potentially hostile intruder(s) in that may well be a threat to life.

What might have happened if this was outside, with a person running towards the Chancellor of the Exchequer? What might his protection officer (who would be armed) have initially thought, perhaps? Reactions are instinctive and split-second. Hindsight is a wonderful thing for showing that an initial reaction may have been wrong.
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Yes I have seen it this morning. It was totally proportionate. He stopped her, detained her without punching or causing physical injury, and marched her out.
That bag she had could have had any kind of handgun/knife/pepperspray/milkshake. All threats which Mark Field had the right to prevent.
It was the equivalent of a Citizen's arrest that anyone can make in the street against a mugger etc.
The fact she is a 'lady' is irrelevant! I thought that sex wasn't a barrier to anything these days and women are just as capable as men.
Well no you've clarified you have actually viewed the video, clearly you condone him using assault under the guise of "self defence " because unless I've been watching an entirely different video, at no point did I see him threated with any form of weapon or physical assault. ........these being the usual criteria for the public to intervene in muggings,. Of course, he could have simply detained her and awaited the arrival of security personnel to escort her out of the venue...who knows, perhaps he's badged !....except that he didn't. He chose to escalate the encounter with assault followed by a display of male arrogance in physically removing the lady himself.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:23
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Just wondering..

if next time I am airside at an airport and see a satchel carrying individual running toward a gate shouting “stop that flight” is it ok to stop them by any means possible, just in case?
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