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Mark Field ejects protester

Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:57
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Originally Posted by Captivep View Post
Greenpeace will have delighted by what happened, of course!

I'll make no comment on the rights or wrongs of what the MP did but the pious disingenuousness (wow, now that's a word!) of Greenpeace claiming they only wanted to have a "discussion" is hard to take...
Isn't it just!

They went to great lengths to organise the break-in to this event, with the sole intention of gaining media attention. Judging from many of their past exploits, they care little for abiding by the law themselves, yet seem very ready to use the law when it suits their purposes.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 16:24
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Remember the poor Russian ambassador

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...raphic-ath.cnn
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:16
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When action is necessary, concentrated and controlled action is probably less dangerous for all concerned. He contained her. If he had simply grabbed her she could have fallen, she might have been swung onto the others and so on.

She was secured, she coukd not hit him or anyone else, or injure herself trying to struggle free.

Look at counter terror action by the police and SAS; no Sgt Wilson "would you mind terribly . . . "
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:24
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
Really? How? Yes, there were environmental protesters outside. An unknown person barges in heading for the top table, carrying something. He says he was briefly genuinely concerned it could be an attack. The instant of interception I saw looked like an instinctive reaction.
So you've only seen the short version? OK.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:41
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Isn't it just!

They went to great lengths to organise the break-in to this event, with the sole intention of gaining media attention. Judging from many of their past exploits, they care little for abiding by the law themselves, yet seem very ready to use the law when it suits their purposes.
About the law and Greenpeace...the French didn't seem overly concerned when they blew the "Rainbow Warrior ", and crew, up in New Zealand.

And I would just like to add I have donated to Greenpeace in the past.

It's interesting to note the clearly defined demographics, and backgrounds, on here who are so strident in their defence of his volatile actions.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:46
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Just had a security guy on the PM programme. He was asked how he would have dealt with her and he said he would have put her in an armlock and frogmarched her from the room. When the (female) interviewer mentioned the fact that it was a female protestor he said that was totally irrelevant, firstly because he has been involved with women who he would not fancy his chances with in a one on one fight, and secondly a women is quite capable of concealing a weapon such as a small knife. Lots of people being wise after the event here - in those few seconds I think Field's actions were entirely justifiable.

K & C I guess you are fully aware of my demographic and background, but how is that of interest?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 18:08
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
And I would just like to add I have donated to Greenpeace in the past.
I started contributing to Greenpeace after the French murdered one of their people. And I have mostly avoided France and things French ever since.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:01
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
It's interesting to note the clearly defined demographics, and backgrounds, on here who are so strident in their defence of his volatile actions.
Not to mention those who have oh so predictably condemned him (but wo are happy to look the other way when a private meeting is gatecrashed by a mob)
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:03
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A couple of things being possibly overlooked here:
As mentioned before there was his action, slamming the woman into a stone column. Watch the video and you will see this was no knee jerk reaction; he watched her approaching and chose his moment.
Second, there is a very brief moment in the video as he is marching her out when you can see a close up of his face. To steal a lyric from Pink Floyd "Wild, staring eyes". That was the face of a man either possessed or voiding his bowels!
Finally, stop it, VP, there was no break in. For a charge of breaking and entering to hold water, something literally has to be broken; a door lock, window pane etc. Just strolling through an open door does not constitute a break in. (Irrelevant really, I just thought I would mention it).
The City of London Corporation ? The place must be awash with money with the corporations providing more electors than residents, yet they are unable to control entry to a grand function such as this. If any of the night clubs in the City were as bad at controlling their doors, licences would be lost.
For the avoidance of doubt, I think it was right the woman was ejected from the premises, it is just that initial attack by Field that I find unsettling.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:29
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I hope something similar happens at a Greenpeace meeting - see how they react.

Looking at the video I saw a silent women under cover of an external protest making a beeline for a government minister. Jo Cox isn't that long ago.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:33
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Finally, stop it, VP, there was no break in. For a charge of breaking and entering to hold water, something literally has to be broken; a door lock, window pane etc. Just strolling through an open door does not constitute a break in. (Irrelevant really, I just thought I would mention it).
Get your facts straight, please, if you're going to be so pedantic. I made no mention of "breaking and entering" at all, didn't even hint at it. The meaning was as clear as day, they unlawfully entered private premises, if you prefer. There's no way to polish that turd, they broke the law by entering that event, no matter how they went about it, and as such that puts them in the position of being law breakers before any subsequent action. Trespassing is trespassing, however it's dressed up, and cannot be justified by a group of extremists who just want to get their political point across on national and international media, and don't care how they do it, or whether their actions are lawful. FWIW, I donated to Greenpeace for years after the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior, but stopped when they committed despicable vandalism to the Nazca Lines, an historical artefact hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years old. That was, in my view, indefensible, and every bit as evil as the destruction of ancient artefacts by ISIS.

And for those snowflakes who choose to argue that Mark Field's action was disproportionate to the threat, then perhaps a look at the law might be in order. The law may allow a disproportionate response, if there is an initial fear of a serious threat. For once the BBC has a reasonable assessment of the law as it applies in a case like this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48717002

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:59
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Oh look. last night was a good night for Tory MPs being violent towards women, wasn't it? Wonder who it'll be tonight?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 21:04
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Oh look. last night was a good night for Tory MPs being violent towards women, wasn't it? Wonder who it'll be tonight?
Interesting that the complainant chose to report it to the Guardian. Anyone might be forgiven for thinking that there may just have been a bit of a political bias there. After all, the police found no case to answer, so what's been reported (as told to the Guardian) could easily be made up hogwash from some leftie out to make a point (and, for the record, I'm no fan of BJ, and think he's a walking disaster waiting to happen)
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 21:43
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After all, the police found no case to answer
Not an easy job they've got. By the time they knock on the door it's usually the case that things have quietened down, and the woman says there isn't a problem ... and they've then got to try to guess whether that's right or not. Quite often it is, but just occasionally it isn't ... and then the police get it in the neck when the woman is killed a few months later.

In the various shifts I've spent with the police only one "domestic" was dealt with. Woman called a niner because her ex was banging on the door and shouting trying to get into the house ... because he wanted to see his daughter.

By the time we got to the house (blues but no twos IIRC) he'd gone. So we drove around the block for a while ... then there was this guy sitting on a bench a couple of streets away. "That'll be him" said the policeman - some skill, I reckoned, to work that out, and get it right first time.

I stayed in the car. I declined the offer to go with the policeman to listen to the conversation as I thought that this sort of thing was really not any of my business. Policeman sat on the bench, chatted to guy for a few minutes, came back to the car, situation resolved.

Well, "resolved" as far as police involvement was concerned, I suppose, for that particular night. The father was still pretty distraught, and hadn't got to see his child, and the mother was probably still frightened that he'd be back again sooner or later. I don't think the policeman spoke to the child - it probably "wasn't his job" to find out what she wanted, even though most of us these days do regard the police as both social workers and mental health professionals.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 21:49
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The bottom line here has to be that the protesters "broke in" to a private event,
They went to great lengths to organise the break-in to this event,
Your words, not mine. Actually, I don't give two hoots what happened in terms of the law, I was merely tweaking your tail. But, if you wish to take umbrage, feel free.
PS Re the BJ incident; I have some doubts about the idea this may have been some made up hogwash from some leftie; the neighbour recorded the ruckus and the Guardian has listened to it.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 22:17
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Has anyone yet pointed out that, had this happened in a country where they take security seriously and shot interlopers for being just that, what Field did would almost certainly have saved her life.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 22:27
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“Capable of concealing a small knife...”. Or a big one. Or a gun -or acid as advocated by Ms Brand in what the usual suspects here will probably claim was a “joke”
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 22:35
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Has anyone yet pointed out that, had this happened in a country where they take security seriously and shot interlopers for being just that, what Field did would almost certainly have saved her life.
This one has been done to death (ha ha) on twitter over the last several hours. The consensus seems to be that in the USA if she'd be black, then sure, she'd have been shot dead by police, but as she was white she'd quite likely have survived.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 22:50
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Then Frank Field is a true libertarian and humanist for ignoring the fact that she was white and treating her as though she were black. Well done to him. Give the man a liquorice allsort.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 22:56
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Then Frank Field is a true libertarian and humanist for ignoring the fact that she was white and treating her as though she were black. Well done to him. Give the man a liquorice allsort.
I'm sure he'll be delighted to hear that, especially as he was probably at home in his Birkenhead constituency at the time.
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