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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:23
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Nige321,

Yes they are.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:24
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
PACE has nothing at all to do this this, as it doesn't apply to civilians that intervene in what they believe may be a crime.
I mentioned PACE because the OP likened this bloke’s action to a “citizens arrest”. Section 24a of the act appears to me to refer specifically to that.



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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:27
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BBC reporting his suspension as a minister. CG
A "thug", who should be fired, never mind suspended.......... Not viewed the incident but nothing can defend that sort of behavior. He is a Member of Parliament, not a "bouncer" in a local night club. Mind you gave up expecting much of MPs years ago.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:28
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PACE?

IF this was a citizens arrest just exactly what crime was Mark Field attacking and restraining this woman for? He had no idea who she was, as he has admitted. He'd better watch his response if he is ever at a dinner party when a surprise stripper appears, of any gender...
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:32
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Nige321,

Yes they are.
2:30 headlines - video shown again, 10 seconds from the 'victim'.
From MF or his side?
Nothing...
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:37
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, especially from your cumfy armchair.
I'm sure Joe Cox didn't think anyone would pull out a weapon and kill her...
How would MF have been 100% sure she wasn't carrying a weapon, and be that sure in the seconds he had to sum up the situation.
Shame on the guests who sat on their hands and even more on the idiots who's first thought is to whip out a phone and film the situation...
Please will you explain why someone is an "idiot" simply because the they decide to use the camera function of their mobile 'phone! Just curious..?

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:40
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Nige321,

Yes they are.
14:36 - 4 mins artime for the 'victim', led on by a simpering 'reporter' (Actually a producer) .
Nothing from MF's side.
Now exploring the security breach...
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:41
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
Please will you explain why someone is an "idiot" simply because the they decide to use the camera function of their mobile 'phone! Just curious..?
Wouldn't it have been nice of one of the idiots had actually got up and helped him?
Or her!!
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:41
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It wasn't an arrest at all from what's been shown in that video. He just acted to prevent a possible attacker (as he most probably saw this woman in the couple of seconds he had to act) as someone intent on getting close to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, for what at that time was an unknown reason. He clearly seems intent on getting her away from the Chancellor, and doesn't seem to be acting to arrest her (although we can't be sure just from this Greenpeace video clip).

The stunt was carefully organised by Greenpeace, and has more than achieved their aims. I would guess that they were just looking to be arrested, so the protesters would get a bit of media exposure. Must be a real bonus for Greenpeace to have a different story evolve, and one where they can claim victimhood. Pity that Phillip Hammond's later off-the-cuff mention of the government having promised that the UK would be zero-carbon by 2050 hasn't had more air time. Even better would have been if the news that the UK has generated more electricity from renewable sources in the past five months than it has from burning fossil fuel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48711649
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:49
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
Wouldn't it have been nice of one of the idiots had actually got up and helped him? Or her!!
Just wonder why you refer to them as "idiots"....? Can they not just be people......??
To answer your question. No, they were right to sit and observe...
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:55
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
Just wonder why you refer to them as "idiots"....? Can they not just be people......??
preconceived thought for anyone involved in an incident to record as a bystander rather than take action.

By all means obtain evidence after a response, eg at a car accident where responders are already on scene, but do it for the police and not the media.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:56
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Nige321,

"... by a simpering 'reporter'...."

Careful, your prejudices are showing.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:59
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She had deliberately broken in to a private function and may well have been a suicide bomber/attacker.
I watched the video and did not see assault . I saw some one restraining a potential attacker.

Greenpeace are a PR outfit with help from a bunch of useful idiots. I agree with what they allegedly stand for, but hate how they go about it.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:00
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
preconceived thought for anyone involved in an incident to record as a bystander rather than take action.

By all means obtain evidence after a response, eg at a car accident where responders are already on scene, but do it for the police and not the media.
Sadly it seems that this is a principle that's unlikely to be followed by a proportion of the population. I was reading a story on a car forum recently where a witness had some dash cam video that showed an accident. He refused to let either the person involved in the accident, or the police, have this, as he was intent on selling the video to the media. He reputedly told the person involved in the accident that if he wanted the video he'd have to pay more than what ever he was offered by the media.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:00
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Frankly, I would not have got terribly excited at any damage caused to the attendees of that gathering - Society's leeches in almost all respects. However, the GP action was stupidity beyond belief! Even they must have noticed the various anti-social (to put it mildly) acts in recent years. Had they not taken on board the ongoing inquest on Boro Market victims ... caused by KNIFE-wielding idiots? Field's actions were pretty moderate in the circumstances and the fact that it was a woman being dealt with is, or should be, irrelevant. Equality means just that - jf you insist on being equal, put up with equal treatment!
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:02
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
Just wonder why you refer to them as "idiots"....? Can they not just be people......??
As I've said before, the video was not taken by a diner, idiot or not. There was no time for one of the guests to get out their phone and position themselves to take that video. Also the video was too steady, it was simultaneously zoomed and panned very smoothly - not something easily done with a phone camera with no preparation.

The bit of video was taken by a professional, there to record the speech.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:04
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Sadly it seems that this is a principle that's unlikely to be followed by a proportion of the population. I was reading a story on a car forum recently where a witness had some dash cam video that showed an accident. He refused to let either the person involved in the accident, or the police, have this, as he was intent on selling the video to the media. He reputedly told the person involved in the accident that if he wanted the video he'd have to pay more than what ever he was offered by the media.
Many are "out fro what they can get", witness out litigious society.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:05
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Read his statement on the film... End of the discussion in my opinion


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...tml#spark_wn=1
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:05
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
preconceived thought for anyone involved in an incident to record as a bystander rather than take action.

By all means obtain evidence after a response, eg at a car accident where responders are already on scene, but do it for the police and not the media.
Do you mean this sort of thing?


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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:10
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Nige321,

"... by a simpering 'reporter'...."

Careful, your prejudices are showing.
If thinking Farmer did the right thing then yes I'm predjudiced, just as you are thinking he didn't.
The BBC couln't be @rsed to find a real 'jounalist' leaving it to a News 24 producer to lead her on...
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