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Old 18th Jun 2019, 15:15
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Hope she is ok, it does not look like it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48680623
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 15:19
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I suspect she was trying to stifle a laugh from joke told by the comedian, Zelensky.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 15:40
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Picking up the shockwaves from the Japanese earthquake...
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 16:25
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
I suspect she was trying to stifle a laugh from joke told by the comedian, Zelensky.
It's the way he Zels 'em
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 16:37
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Early onset of Parkinsons.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 16:58
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Just dehydration, I suspect. The temperature was fairly high and if she'd not had enough fluids then the shaking may well have been due to that.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 23:13
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temperatures in the German capital were approaching 30C (86F) at the time
Really, 30C/86F is "boiling"? Better keep her away from the Southwest US - they don't even think it's hot until it's approaching 100F/38C.
Ten days ago I was launching rockets in Lucerne dry lake bed in California, temp was in the mid 90's F, and I was thinking how fortunate we were that it wasn't hot...
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
Really, 30C/86F is "boiling"? Better keep her away from the Southwest US - they don't even think it's hot until it's approaching 100F/38C.
Ten days ago I was launching rockets in Lucerne dry lake bed in California, temp was in the mid 90's F, and I was thinking how fortunate we were that it wasn't hot...
Yeah. It's all relative.
3 glasses of water and she's OK now.

One site that I was employed, the recommended water intake for outside work in summer was 15 - 20 litres.
And that was not hard to do.

But on a serious note, heat exhaustion does not require scorching temperatures, and the path from mild dehydration to a pine box can be very short, especially for the elderly.
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That is enough shaking to make the DAX tumble.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 02:09
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What is the expected reduced lifespan for those who grew up in the glorious E. Germany?
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 07:04
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See page 69 in this report for a full answer to your question about differences between the former East and reunified Germany as a whole: https://www.rki.de/EN/Content/Health...ublicationFile

Basically it is so that mortality rates have improved in the former East so that there is not much difference nowadays, especially among young people age 15 and under.

One of our children lives and works in Jena, Thuringen, deep in the former East Germany. We often visit her there, so that we get a good look at how things are going in and around that city.

Jena benefits particularly from the glass industry. (Zeiss Jena and Schott, major manufacturers of high-end glass, are both located there.) It also has an old university of high standing and a medical school, so that it has a dynamic population of talented young people.

On the other hand, the former East Germany in general is still losing population. Another problem is that the region's politics tend to the far right for historical reasons as well as because of general joblessness and underemployment, and perhaps because of a lack of perspective on the part of many citizens. You seem to see a significant number of people who can't quite manage the jump from living under the yoke of a planned economy to rampant, predatory even, capitalism.

The people in the former West still pay 10% extra on their taxes to help the former East catch up, while the people in the East often seem to just sit there with their hands outstretched for more help. Not that it's the full reality, just that it's one quick read on what is going on in today's Germany.

It can be a weird echo of what we see in the States: an Eastern underclass (Ossis) resenting a Western elite (Wessis), with demagogues feeding those resentments in order to gain votes. This often makes me think of the nonsense Trump spouts: demagogues in the West pushing the notion that the feckless East is taking advantage of the West, and demagogues in the East pushing the notion that the West is neglecting the suffering East.

It is a trivial thing but still striking that one sees so-called Ostalgia, meaning nostalgia for many aspects of life in the DDR.

That is another echo of Trumpism, of that "Make America Great" that means a return to something like the America of the Fifties when business was booming; minorities were, well, minorities, people who kept pretty much out of sight; migration meant folks coming from Ireland, say ... basically a return to an America fit for white people who kept their noses clean.

In the DDR life could be relatively easy if you just went with the flow, never looking for trouble. In some ways it was a bit better than in the West, such as with the provision of child care that mean women could combine motherhood with full employment, while basic needs were met. Higher needs, not so much, but at least it was better than life under the Nazis, while capitalism is not always a stroll in the park anyway. So nowadays you get these weird little shops were you can buy a lot of tat that recalls life in the former East.

One thing the East always had was a little green arrow tacked onto a traffic light. It allowed you to make a right turn on a red light after stopping and checking for traffic. After reunification that thing appeared in the West too, making for better traffic flow. On the other hand, the East has discovered the Gatso, the Blitzer, as a source of revenue. (I was blitzed once doing 40 in a 30 (km/h) in a small town for a €15 fine, no points, and not much point either, when I bet that town makes a fortune from that one speed camera. Before the Wende that would have needed a VoPo standing there catching people driving 6.2 mph too fast; now that gadget from the West does that automatically.)
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Zelensky should have hugged her.
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Some form of shock.

Oh! Hang on !

Didn't the Germans just publicly disagree with the Orangina administration's take on the Iranian Tanker issue ?



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Old 19th Jun 2019, 12:45
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Mrs Merkel said she was dehydrated. "I've drunk at least three glasses of water and so I'm doing very well now."
She'd have been better off with three beers.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 14:55
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
See page 69 in this report for a full answer to your question about differences between the former East and reunified Germany as a whole: https://www.rki.de/EN/Content/Health...ublicationFile

Basically it is so that mortality rates have improved in the former East so that there is not much difference nowadays, especially among young people age 15 and under.

One of our children lives and works in Jena, Thuringen, deep in the former East Germany. We often visit her there, so that we get a good look at how things are going in and around that city.

Jena benefits particularly from the glass industry. (Zeiss Jena and Schott, major manufacturers of high-end glass, are both located there.) It also has an old university of high standing and a medical school, so that it has a dynamic population of talented young people.

On the other hand, the former East Germany in general is still losing population. Another problem is that the region's politics tend to the far right for historical reasons as well as because of general joblessness and underemployment, and perhaps because of a lack of perspective on the part of many citizens. You seem to see a significant number of people who can't quite manage the jump from living under the yoke of a planned economy to rampant, predatory even, capitalism.

The people in the former West still pay 10% extra on their taxes to help the former East catch up, while the people in the East often seem to just sit there with their hands outstretched for more help. Not that it's the full reality, just that it's one quick read on what is going on in today's Germany.

It can be a weird echo of what we see in the States: an Eastern underclass (Ossis) resenting a Western elite (Wessis), with demagogues feeding those resentments in order to gain votes. This often makes me think of the nonsense Trump spouts: demagogues in the West pushing the notion that the feckless East is taking advantage of the West, and demagogues in the East pushing the notion that the West is neglecting the suffering East.

It is a trivial thing but still striking that one sees so-called Ostalgia, meaning nostalgia for many aspects of life in the DDR.
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​​​​​​In the DDR life could be relatively easy if you just went with the flow, never looking for trouble. In some ways it was a bit better than in the West, such as with the provision of child care that mean women could combine motherhood with full employment, while basic needs were met...
Being a Wessi and having had my fair share of whining Ossis you have to cut them some slack in the way that everyone who is actually working pays that 10% on top of their taxes everywhere and still today.
There is not much difference between underdevelopped rural areas in east and west, often the eastern parts being slightly better off due to high subsidies in the past.
A special nuisance are Ossi pensioners complaining about their slightly lower pensions but forgetting that they have two of them per couple whereas their Wessi birth cohort just have one but not worked less during their lifetime.
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That's the word I was having an extended senior moment trying to recall the other day - Demagogues !

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Along witht he turn signals pedestrian crossings in the East-especially Berlin had little men with trilby hats whereas the capitalist west did away with the headgear. east and west is an odd thing these days my son is a Czech resident and they have certainly made the most of 'freedom. with very low unemployment , lowest in the Eu where he lives , and a lot of decent jobs in tech industries plus of course the mighty Skoda. But perhaps thats due to their very advanced industry pre war and the main hi tech supplier to the eastern bloc. Poland seems to be changing its imagine in a real sense as well with a lot of investment in Warsaw . These places are not going to overtake the establsih western commercial centres but they are certainly going to be on a par with not over take many 'traditional industry' cities in the west before long
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 16:29
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Oosies can't be that bad, after all didn't they host the Horten brothers in Thuringia ?

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Yes, the Ampelmännchen, the little guy with the hat in the pedestrian crossing signals! In Berlin he appears on a wide range of souvenirs, but I took that for a Berlin thing rather than Ostalgie as such. (I mixed that a bit in my earlier post: German - Ostalgie from Nostalgie; English - ostalgia from nostalgia.)

It was a pretty grim scene in the DDR, or so I take it to have been. That said, though, there has been at least one very charming film made, Goodbye Lenin, that makes it all seem rather harmless. Basically, a woman had a severe nervous shock that put her in hospital, so that when she came out the doctor told her loving son that she should not suffer any more shocks. The problem that drives the plot? While she was out of it, East Germany had collapsed, so that now the son and her nurse have to fake the continued existence of the DDR for the mother, shut away in her tiny (49 square meters) flat while everything outside changes out of all recognition. Lots of plot twists later, I think they finally sell the mother on the daft notion that it was the West that collapsed, agreeing to merge with the East, when all live happily ever after.

My wife has a cousin who legged it via Hungary with his girlfriend in his Trabant, just before the Wall came down. I had to stifle some giggles when I met him about a year later to find him playing the Wessi to the hilt, acting as if he had always vacationed on Mallorca.

His father, Onkel Fritz, had once come for a visit when he wanted to buy jeans for his two sons back home. (Visitors from the East got 100 marks each, Begrüßungsgeld, on arrival.) Jeans come in inch sizes, when he had not a clue about how many inches he needed to buy. The solution was for me, about the same size as his sons, to go along to one of those funny little shops set up in what had been a private house, what is loosely called a Tante Emme Laden (an Aunt Emma Shop) where he could get a real good deal on some jeans.

We found what had been a living room crammed with piles of jeans, but no changing room as such. I had to just go stand in a corner, pull off my pants, and pull on what looked like the right size pair of jeans.

My underwear, boxer shorts, was in a pretty dire state because of a motorcycle tour across the States and back that I had recently done; the inseam was shot so that the shorts hung more like a little skirt. I had not thought about this in advance, not expecting to have to disrobe in front of Onkel Fritz and Tante Emme, and the rest of her customers too.

Tante Emme was bustling about, keeping an eye on things. When she caught a glimpse of my shredded shreddies in passing she said, "Na, Ossi?" (Sort of "What's up, you hick from the Eastern sticks?")

I thought Onkel Fritz was going to have a stroke keeping from bursting out laughing, his face bright red from that. I myself did not know what to think: the only American within ten miles was just taken for an East German! Well, as Nietzsche taught us, what does not kill us makes us stronger ....
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