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Old 11th Jun 2019, 12:13
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Sting UK Car Tank Drivers!!

Yet again tried to park in a car park only to be met by loads of car tank drivers using two spaces. Why do these people need these vehicles expect for a status symbol, only farmers & businessmen should need them. Not the average jane of joe bloggs If they can afford them then they should pay more vehicle tax!!. Have heard the comments people saying they need them for their families, well they coped well back in the 70's & 80's with smaller vehicles. The government should sting these people hard, as the government is always on about climate pollution etc.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 12:21
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The problem is not the car but the cramped spaces. They are not wide enough. Why should I try and wedge my Q5 into a spot where the vehicles each side will hit it when they open their doors ?. And it is frugal …. a 2.0 petrol that does over 30 mpg, better than Mrs G's Saab 9-3.

I used to drive an Escalade in Qatar and the spaces were plenty big enough with no risk of bumping doors with the Land Cruisers either side. Same in Wal-Mart in Colorado Springs. Plenty of room in the spaces for a Tahoe.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 12:22
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Some car park owners are very stingy and paint small rectangles to fit your car into, sometimes the rectangles painted in the corner cases are only fit for a compact. I tend not to patronise such places.

My concern with these so called "tank" cars is that some of their drivers do a lot of damage to curbs and drains with the way they park them.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 12:42
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Simply selfish people.......
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 12:53
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Originally Posted by Dave Gittins View Post
The problem is not the car but the cramped spaces. They are not wide enough. Why should I try and wedge my Q5 into a spot where the vehicles each side will hit it when they open their doors ?. And it is frugal Ö. a 2.0 petrol that does over 30 mpg, better than Mrs G's Saab 9-3.

I used to drive an Escalade in Qatar and the spaces were plenty big enough with no risk of bumping doors with the Land Cruisers either side. Same in Wal-Mart in Colorado Springs. Plenty of room in the spaces for a Tahoe.
UK population density and car ownership barely compares with the two locations you quote though; ME states and the USA at large have evolved around car usage. There are just too many people who are too idle to walk more than half a mile in the UK. Cars for many are necessary, but for many others are just a "want" and the bigger the better. I would hazard a guess that a good number of them are regular congestion complainers too.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 12:57
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OP is correct. All those road tractors should be penalised, hugely, except when there is a proven need.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 13:22
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A lot of this is just jealousy. A person can buy and drive whatever they want* although I do agree that far too many people use their cars as raincoats. (Buy an actual raincoat and bloody walk to school - I did when I was a kid: 2 miles each way). If their chosen car does not fit into a “standard” parking space, then more fool them for not thinking it through. If a large vehicle is parked across two spaces, the carpark owner should fine them - the rules usually state that cars must be parked properly within the lines, or words to that effect. Certain narrow streets should limit the vehicle size allowed to park there.

30mpg is hardly frugal in 2019 ! a 1970s Ford Escort would give you that. President Obama noted that the mpg of modern cars was similar to the Ford Model T. He was presumably comparing the T to American cars, and I don’t know what mpg figure he was using, but still, it makes you think.

*If they want to take out big car loans with massive APRs, and spend cubically large amounts on servicing, tyres, fuel, and car tax, then more fool them. (I run a small second hand 1,600cc petrol and get 42mpg).


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Old 11th Jun 2019, 14:43
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they should pay more vehicle tax!!
Have you seen how much it is for some of the Chelsea Tractors, compared to the zero or thirty quid for an eco-friendly vehicle?
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 15:05
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Originally Posted by Dave Gittins View Post
The problem is not the car but the cramped spaces. They are not wide enough. Why should I try and wedge my Q5 into a spot where the vehicles each side will hit it when they open their doors ?. And it is frugal Ö. a 2.0 petrol that does over 30 mpg, better than Mrs G's Saab 9-3.

I used to drive an Escalade in Qatar and the spaces were plenty big enough with no risk of bumping doors with the Land Cruisers either side. Same in Wal-Mart in Colorado Springs. Plenty of room in the spaces for a Tahoe.
Your, oh so large Q5 is 4.66 metes long and 1,89 meters wide. My Skoda Superb is 4.86 long and 1.86 wide. Those extra 3 cm must be a real pain in the neck. Too bad your interior dimensions are much less.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 15:34
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I sometimes think car tax should/could be exponentially based on the internal volume of a car.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 16:02
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https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ces-wider-size

”......Cars are growing, thanks to the addition of safety features and our demands for more space, but, like airline seats, parking spaces are not keeping up. In the 1970s, when the earliest VW Golfs were a modest 1.6 metres across, the Institution of Structural Engineers and the Chartered Institution of Highways and Transportation recommended a standard bay size of 2.4 metres by 4.8 metres. Including mirrors, a new Golf today is 2.027 metres wide, almost as fat as a Range Rover.

“The standard hasn’t really changed since then and we generally still work on that basis depending on usage type,” says Glynn Rhodes, a partner at Hill Cannon Consulting. The Harrogate firm, which has designed or consulted on thousands of car parks since the 1960s, goes for 2.3-metre bays in airport long-stays, for example, or 2.5 metres in, say, a shopping centre........”
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Sorry Ancient Mariner, I have no idea what point you are trying to make. I am not suggesting that my Q5 is particularly large and that somebody needs to accommodate it. My wife often struggles to park her 9-3, not because of her lack of ability but because others are either parked right on (or over) one side line or are at an angle across a space tight to one line at the back and the other at the front.

We both have a tendency to park in the nether regions of car parks to avoid the bad parkers who always seem to go for the spaces nearest the shop door.

I'm making the point that it doesn't happen in other parts of the world and I suspect car parks in the UK are deliberately produced with minimal size spaces to either satisfy planning requirements or maximise income.

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Old 11th Jun 2019, 16:51
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Child carseats

Letís not forget that the laws have changed to state that children have to be in car seats for much longer than they did several years ago.

A family with three young children needing car seats struggles to cope with a regular sized car. Even once one child is bigger they will still struggle to sit in a single row.

We have a Discovery Sport which gives us extra seats in the back for one of the kids and plenty of room for family paraphernalia. If that makes me one of the drivers you dislike then so be it. Itís still not exactly a huge car though.

Let me guess. Is the OP one of those that parks in the family spaces at supermarkets despite having no children?

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Old 11th Jun 2019, 17:06
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The person on a pushbike thinks the motorcyclist is a noisy user of public roads. The motorcyclist thinks cars and their drivers are dangerous nuisances. The OP thinks 4wd's are unnecessary and they all think white van man should be taken off the road. What's left? Oh yes, public transport. Then they all start telling you how public transport is the proper way to travel.....but unfortunately, not for them because etc etc. The UK is a small country with too many people and cars. Leave or live with it.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 17:27
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Only today I saw in the car park an elderly person struggling to get in their car because some tank head had parked next to them. Just like the craze a while back when 4 x 4s were fitted with bull bar bumpers. Take the school run for example parents using these tanks to drop their kids off down the road. Common sense must prevail here and the government must take them off the road. Like you said clareprop this country is to small!!
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 17:56
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Originally Posted by Dave Gittins View Post
I'm making the point that it doesn't happen in other parts of the world
ROFLMAO!

There speaks someone who has never tried to extricate an Italian hire car from the airport car park.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 19:20
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Originally Posted by Dave Gittins View Post
The problem is not the car but the cramped spaces. They are not wide enough. Why should I try and wedge my Q5 into a spot where the vehicles each side will hit it when they open their doors ?.
You might like to consider that if parking spaces are painted wider to suit your Q5, there will be fewer spaces in any given car park. Many of which have very limited spaces already.

To take your second point, why should you try and wedge your Q5 into a space where you will hit the vehicles each side when you open your doors?
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 19:55
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Originally Posted by Dave Gittins View Post
The problem is not the car but the cramped spaces. They are not wide enough. Why should I try and wedge my Q5 into a spot where the vehicles each side will hit it when they open their doors ?. And it is frugal …. a 2.0 petrol that does over 30 mpg, better than Mrs G's Saab 9-3.

I used to drive an Escalade in Qatar and the spaces were plenty big enough with no risk of bumping doors with the Land Cruisers either side. Same in Wal-Mart in Colorado Springs. Plenty of room in the spaces for a Tahoe.
Being of an age where my kids no longer need to travel with me I downsized my personal transport accordingly and now commute in a petrol engined car about half the size of a Q5. It gives me 50 mpg. It also costs just £30 for vehicle tax, turns on a sixpence and it fits easily into any parking space. What's more, I can more easily avoid the threat of a head on collision on nearby single track roads from incompetent drivers who seem obliged to drive squarely down the middle of the road in their huge, ungainly people crushers.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 20:00
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The damned 4 x 4s, especially the ones made for the US market have no place on our smaller, overcrowded roads, and ought really be taxed off them. Of course that won't happen since the Range Rover and other JLR products are made here.

I would like to see special spaces exclusively for over-width vehicles, positioned at the far end of supermarket car parks, so that if people really insist on buying what are generally extensions to their manhood, they can at least get some exercise by walking from said remote spaces to the supermarket door.

While on the subject of supermarket car parks, why do we need so many disabled and parent / child spaces. I fairly regularly frequent an E LeClerq branch in France, the shop is at least 50% larger in floor area than my local Tesco Extra, but only has 12 disabled spaces, and few if any parent and child spaces. Looking at the number of spaces at Tesco, were they all taken up by people with ambulant issues the shop would surely contravene health and safety rules as they'd never get them all out in the event of a fire!!
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 20:13
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Car Parking spaces in UK seem to be the same width as modern house garages - made for Austin 7 width cars. Personally, I drive a Scorpion tank and never have any problem parking; I simply nudge other plebs out of the way.....
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