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Old 25th Jun 2019, 06:19
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
If you look back up you will see that this sub-thread originated with films, nothing to do with news, current affairs and whatever. Streaming is also a push function and recording is, at best, a limited pull.

Regarding costs, the subscription to Netflix and Amazon is the same as the licence fee and with Amazon I get music and next day delivery of goods ordered.
On this sub sub thread you stated that iplayer and the Hub only allow time shifting and are push rather than pull. I have pointed out that is not always the case.

There is also the common mis-conception (not held by you perhaps) that the likes of Netflix are huge reservoirs of current and past series of programming to be pulled off the internet at will and on demand. I will point to the last series of one of Netflix’s popular programmes called ‘Better call Saul’. Transmitted weekly in the US by another network and only made available to Netflix after each weekly transmission on that other network. So not available on demand. As ever, things are not always clear cut, on this I know we will both agree.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 07:15
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YT, agree. Also I think it is Amazon that charges for older series previously aired (wired?) free. Found this where we saw Series 2 and wanted to view Series 1.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 08:53
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...........I tried to watch a film on a commercial channel the other day. Its a 95 minute film. On commercial TV it took nearly two and half hours from start to finish, that included a 'really useful' Showbiz news half way through with advert breaks every ten minutes. I gave up!

For the sake of sanity l beg, leave the licence alone and keep the BBC as it is.
I agree, although they don’t need so many ‘hangers on’, aka Producers and Production Assistants. Watching the credits nowadays : as well as a couple of engineers for camera, lighting, vision and sound as you would expect, there can be around 20 staff with titles that include the word ‘producer’.

Watching Bergerac and Lovejoy repeats on commercial (Freeview) channels can be confusing, because to make the programs fit the hour slot, they cut out about 2.5 mins of each episode to accommodate the extra advertising that is now allowed per hour. When you watch the end credits you can see stills from scenes that were cut.

Another annoying modern development is where about 10 minutes of actual technical information is padded out to an hour by endlessly repeating most of the program after every ad break and interruption, and filling up the rest of the time with stupid unnecessary graphics, circling drone/helicopter panoramas of the presenter walking along in a desert ??? and dramatic music.





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Old 25th Jun 2019, 09:15
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Uplinker,

Have you ever watched the credits for a recent Hollywood or other large scale feature film? There will be hundreds and hundreds of folk credited, with a large number involved in the producing. TV and film making is a complex and lengthy process, it does take a lot of folk to get it right and the BBC are as good at it as anybody. These days many of the programmes broadcast by the BBC are made by smaller production houses, and they have the same proliferation of producers etc. It's not an indulgent BBC, it's what it takes.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 10:26
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It would be interesting to see the pay scale of the people in the credits. I would put a sizeable sum on a significant proportion of those listed being close to minimum wage or even less (unpaid interns).
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 13:04
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This is also what rankles me, the world over people are getting a free BBC service and we cannot use those funds to allow our pensioners to continue to get theirs.
The BBC's international audience has climbed to a record high of 426 million a week, according to new figures released by the corporation. It put on an extra 50 million viewers and listeners over the past year with the vast majority of them — 47 million — accessing its news service.The Global Audience Measure found the news service reaches 50 million people in India alone with the next biggest audiences being 41 million in Nigeria and 38 million in the US. India, where it operates in nine languages, has seen an increase of 20 million. Other countries with large audiences include Kenya, Afghanistan and Iran, with 38 million tuning in between them.
The vast majority use the BBC World Service, which broadcasts in English and 42 other languages. It is financed by the licence fee, some limited advertising, profits from the BBC’s commercial arm and government funding of £291 million over five years in a deal due to end next year.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsl...rld/ar-AAD3Bgp
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 01:03
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
ITV Player will let you turn off the adverts by paying a monthly fee. The rapid rise and fall of DVD shows how quickly a format can become obsolete, CD is practically dead but had a much longer run and benefited from people replacing their entire music collection with the new format when it was introduced.


CD is alive and well. Even Vinyl is making a comeback. New bands make sod all money from streaming. CDs and vinyl is a relatively simple way to actually bring in ready cash. Go to any live gig and you will find both on sale.

Streaming media is the future and cable TV companies are in trouble unless they can fully embrace it. These days, even the ability to record on a PVR isn’t enough, people want to sit down, press a button and watch what they like when they want. High speed fibre optic cable and a massive database of programs on demand is the only way for them to survive. Rather than a fixed schedule there will be recommendations for an evenings entertainment based on preferences and previous viewing habits. The latest episode of a favourite programme might pop up as soon as it’s available, with news tailored towards known interests.
Sounds awful!

Staying home to watch something because its on at a certain time will be history.
I remember them saying that when Betamax video came out.

I have a 16 yr old in the house. She watches live programs and constantly 'chats' with her mates about it on social media while it airs. Sports, Love Island, Casualty! Funny that.

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Old 26th Jun 2019, 14:44
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Uplinker,

Have you ever watched the credits for a recent Hollywood or other large scale feature film? There will be hundreds and hundreds of folk credited, with a large number involved in the producing. TV and film making is a complex and lengthy process, it does take a lot of folk to get it right and the BBC are as good at it as anybody. These days many of the programmes broadcast by the BBC are made by smaller production houses, and they have the same proliferation of producers etc. It's not an indulgent BBC, it's what it takes.
Thank you, I was in the business for many years before flying

Perhaps I was too subtle : I meant the legions of staff calling themselves producers, when they are actually runners, assistants or tea makers, some of whom only had a vague idea about how television programs are made.

Film productions traditionally credit every single person involved, including standby drivers, negative timers and the caterers. Television tends to credit just the supervisors of each technical section, (which is fair enough), but often credits everyone from the production side - and calls them all producers. That was my beef.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 15:55
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For all those who are antagonistic towards the BBC.....and supportive of commercial channels, take a deep breath and read this.........now, do your really think the licence fee doesn't represent good value for money ?

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...sive-heres-why
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 16:01
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Always amazes me that Brits criticise the BBC - the rest of the world would give it's eye teeth for a similar service

Do you want Fox News or the Murdoch Empire running things? Or Sylvio Berlusconi et al?? Or Vlad Putin's mates???

It's an absolute treasure - and the fact it irritates both sides shows they're getting it right...............
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 16:55
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Uplinker,

I had a BBC Exec producer for a partner for a few years, and the days of runners, tea makers etc have long gone as things are trimmed back in the face of crippling financial restrictions and cuts. And all of the very many programmes made for the BBC by smaller producing houses have the same trail of producer folk involved in making them. It has got so bad that to see a BBC staffer producer these days is a rarity, most are on contract or working for private production houses commissioned by the BBC.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 23:06
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CD is alive and well.
The car I hired last week didn't even have a CD player, Bluetooth and AUX input yes. I can't even remember the last time I purchased a CD. Quality was limited due to the compression required so it never quite caught on at the very high end, SACD, DVD-AUDIO and MiniDisc were better sounding but were a bit too late as MP3 players and downloading became the preferred format. Initially MP3 quality was relatively low due to the high cost of storage media and slow connection speed on dial up but broadband and cheaper storage have enabled high resolution downloads.

Vinyl never really died as true audiophiles preferred it over CD and it has a niche following. Today's teenagers are using Spotify or similar on their mobile phones.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 07:12
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Uplinker,

..................the days of runners, tea makers etc have long gone as things are trimmed back in the face of crippling financial restrictions and cuts............It has got so bad that to see a BBC staffer producer these days is a rarity, most are on contract or working for private production houses commissioned by the BBC.
(my editing)

I worked (freelance) on an independent prog. last year while between flying jobs. (I am tech, not production). They had runners/tea makers. A program I watched last night - can’t remember what - had 10 different producer credits !

A lot of BBC staff have disappeared as you say, which is a crying shame. I saw the writing on the wall 20 years’ ago and was among the first to voluntarily go.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 07:44
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I was born in the mid 50s and by the time of the early 60s, in Cornwall we had one Channel; BBC. I have so much to be grateful to the BBC, it taught me so much. All those early programs like Watch with Mother etc, the fantastic radio programs. In fact I would say the BBC was the mainstay for everything, our understanding, our learning about the world, Everything. Not always the best picture where I’m from but hey!

Sadly, over the last 25 years, the BBC has become seriously tainted; it’s been tainted by a left-wing liberal attitude which has totally destroyed my faith in it. It’s painful to watch now, so I no longer bother albeit, I still, by law have to pay a license fee. That license fee is not worth the trash and opinions of a corporation that no longer maintains an unbiased opinion. This last attempt at clawing more money back, to pay for over inflated egos will be the nail in the Coffin for it I hope, personally, on that score I try to remember that those over 75‘s either fought in, or was seriously affected by both world wars and do not deserve to be treated this way by the BBC.

It’s really sad because I will try to remember it with great affection. It’s now just an over inflated egotistic, overpaid Quango.



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Old 28th Jun 2019, 08:02
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I spent 50years working in Film and TV. As a cameraman I used to have an assistant, electricians sound man and possibly his assistant.
In my latter years of working as a freelance on documentary and corporate productions, I had no assistant, no electricians (Sparks!) sometimes recorded the sound myself, and drove the van. Very glad that I am not starting out in the industry today!
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 09:53
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The BBC are treating the licence change as a "done deal". I've had a letter from TV Licensing telling me how the scheme will change, there's nothing I need to do now and when I need to do something, they'll be back in touch.
I'm tempted to return it with a rude word scrawled across it !
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 11:13
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In Germany every household has to pay €210 per year for the equivalent of the TV licence, whether you have a TV / radio or not, and they still show some adverts on the public service broadcasters ARD/ZDF and the regional subsidiaries.
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 16:51
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They have been showing Auf Weidersehen Pet on Drama channel on SKY.

The first two series were ground breaking, superb stuff.

The third series is being shown at present and its c**p! Then at the end of today’s episode I noticed that it was now a BBC production. Then the politically correct wooden story line with American Indians, exploited Eastern European’s and every PC cliche you could think of became clear.

They made a fourth series which was set in Cuba, which says a lot about the lefties who made it, and that was the worst ever!




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Old 8th Jul 2019, 17:33
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The BBC has immense power over the people of Britain. The BBC has a Charter which is supposed to prevent it from abusing this power, but despite this it does so on an almost unimaginable scale to promote its own agenda.

You might have noticed that the BBC put a lot of effort (using our money) into marketing the following to us:

Multiculturalism
An LGBT agenda
The EU
Global warming pseudoscience
Political correctness
Anything anti Donald Trump
Identity politics
Social justice
Virtue gesturing

It pushes these in all its content: drama, soap operas, documentaries, current affairs, “comedy”, news and even children’s programming. And the techniques it uses are designed to mould our opinions, our attitudes, our prejudices. For instance if an Islamic person wins a cooking competition or is a victim of something then they are “Muslim”. But if an Islamic person commits an atrocity then they are “Asian”. And if a political party, such as TBP, has policies that differ from the BBC then they are “far right” or “extreme right wing”, even though this is a blatant lie.

The BBC is not left wing or right wing, it is Cultural Marxists (also sometimes referred to as New World Order, Deep State or Globalism). This political belief says the economic Marxism always fails, so lets just have all the social aspects of Marxism and let capitalism do the economic stuff that it is far better at. So Cultural Marxists seek to get rid of democracy, races, nationalities and personal freedoms, to enslave us. The journey to get us there is a project and the EU has a vital role in this project, once you know this then EU policies and workings make a lot more sense. The ultimate goal is for the world to be run by an oligarchic elite at the UN.
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 17:54
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Originally Posted by vctenderness View Post
They have been showing Auf Weidersehen Pet on Drama channel on SKY.

The first two series were ground breaking, superb stuff.

The third series is being shown at present and its c**p! Then at the end of today’s episode I noticed that it was now a BBC production. Then the politically correct wooden story line with American Indians, exploited Eastern European’s and every PC cliche you could think of became clear.

They made a fourth series which was set in Cuba, which says a lot about the lefties who made it, and that was the worst ever!




Medic !.....you appear to be suffering from an acute case of BBC antiritus ..first, with Top Gear and now this !......or maybe a career as a television critic was never really going to be quite your calling ?

The third series ?.....nothing clichéd about exploitation of Native Americans.....fourth series ?....taken from " Wiki ".....
Despite extensive negotiations between the BBC and the Cuban Government, it was not possible to obtain permission to film in Cuba, so the series was actually shot in the Dominican Republic


Now that's not very comradely is it !.....and fancy the BBC filming in an overseas location ...who would have thunk it !...maybe they should have filmed Bergerac on the Isle of Dogs ?

And a very special mention for the polemic from our very own conspiracy theorist...... which was a truly eclectic mix .......and, curiously, omits the previous much touted allegation as to why summat called "Common Purpose " is the equivalent of alien abduction and brainwashing thereafter !
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