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Old 18th Jun 2019, 12:24
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I am not too bothered by petty errors of bias carried out by the BBC.
The printed meeja is full of bias. The Mirror works for Labour and The Telegraph works for the Tories.
The Grauniad works for its multi-millionaire writers.
However, the size, shape and overall scale of the BBC is all wrong. It needs to be about one-third of its present size.
And the BBC tax needs to be kept below £100 for ever.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 12:50
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The BBC's problems are not all of its own making. It was created in a different era as a monopoly national broadcaster and it served that purpose very well. Its problems started back in the 50's with the introduction of commercial broadcasting, "a licence to print money" as ITV was called. Ever since then, the BBC has had to run to keep up with the competition.

Nowadays the BBC cannot show the biggest sporting events because Sky etc can outbid for them, and it has to compete with the obscene amounts of money that the big name presenters can get elsewhere.

Really the BBC is no longer viable as a do-everything state broadcaster, when there are so many other outlets doing exactly the same things. It will have to reduce its scope considerably to survive.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 13:17
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Really the BBC is no longer viable as a do-everything state broadcaster, when there are so many other outlets doing exactly the same things. It will have to reduce its scope considerably to survive.
I agree. I've been of the opinion for some time that the BBC has lost it's way in a broadcasting world that has changed and continues to change beyond all recognition. It seems to me, at times, that they are a bit too fixated in trying to compete head to head with the commercial broadcasters.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 14:29
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Then I can only sadly say that you must also be a member of the wilfully blind club.
Willfully blind because they asked you to show evidence for your contention? Which you were unable, or unwilling, to do.

Your assertion that the BBC gets shedloads of money from the EU (which it then fails to record in its accounts, or anywhere else for that matter) is the opinion that seems to be willfully held with, thus far, not a shred of evidence to support it.

When you accuse a large public body of corruption (and by extension, therefore, also the people within it who run the scam) you can't just shake your head ruefully when asked for evidence...

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Old 18th Jun 2019, 15:25
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
I agree. I've been of the opinion for some time that the BBC has lost it's way in a broadcasting world that has changed and continues to change beyond all recognition. It seems to me, at times, that they are a bit too fixated in trying to compete head to head with the commercial broadcasters.
Indeed, why does it go head to head with ITV for inane game shows? Why does it compete with ITV over soaps at the same time? I think they also compete with medical soaps etc.

ITV has 4 channels so BBC has to have 4. I allow that BBC needs its own rolling News programme as alternative unbiased coverage for current affairs is essential. Where there is competition to broadcast sport, then let BBC broadcast the less expensive and alternative sports. Instead of employing the likes of Bruce and Titmarsh on everything from antiques to palaces, let them stick with their specialties and let other specialists do their work for less.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 10:42
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The BBC is taking a bit of a pounding today, standing accused of only having Marxist Party members and workers in the the Conservative leader debate audience to ask the questions.
Nothing unusual or unexpected there then. I wonder what the propaganda monstrosity will do when it's time to choose a new leader for its own favoured political party. Probably much the same I should have thought.
It's a little ridiculous isn't it. What's next in Britain. A televised interview challenge to determine whose going to become the next Chairman of Crufts. Mind you, since there's more to love about dogs these days than politicians, that's not such a bad idea. One would have to insist though that, given their significant contribution to British society, the question asking audience contained a significant number of people of Chinese ethnic origin, preferably ex residents of Yulin, just to spice things up.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 05:53
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...cott-0mxqglhnc

Tory leadership candidates threaten BBC debate boycott

Tory leadership candidates are considering boycotting the BBC’s next televised debate after it failed to effectively vet an imam who had previously made allegedly antisemitic comments.

Abdullah Patel, who asked a question about Islamophobia on Tuesday night, was suspended from schools where he was head and deputy head because of tweets about a Zionist conspiracy and violence against women. He was also suspended from his post at a mosque. Nicky Campbell, the BBC presenter, condemned the “extremely disturbing” remarks and was “sorry” that the broadcaster had not unearthed them.

Yesterday it was revealed that another questioner in the debate, Aman Thakar, was a former Labour candidate who had been seconded to work in party HQ on disciplinary cases including some involving antisemitism. He did not declare this in the programme. Mr Thakar, who told the candidates to call a general election, was suspended from the law firm Leigh Day over a joke he made on Twitter this year that referenced Hitler.

Mr Patel once blamed Israel and the West after a British police officer was murdered by an Islamist terror suspect. His primary school was warned by Ofsted after it segregated mothers and fathers attending pupils’ performances.

The BBC is planning to hold a special edition of Question Time with Fiona Bruce for the final two candidates. One of the campaign teams told The Times that it would be reluctant to take part. “We are concerned about impartiality and the competence of the BBC to pick a fair audience,” a source said........

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 06:42
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...cott-0mxqglhnc

Tory leadership candidates threaten BBC debate boycott

Tory leadership candidates are considering boycotting the BBC’s next televised debate after it failed to effectively vet an imam who had previously made allegedly antisemitic comments.

Abdullah Patel, who asked a question about Islamophobia on Tuesday night, was suspended from schools where he was head and deputy head because of tweets about a Zionist conspiracy and violence against women. He was also suspended from his post at a mosque. Nicky Campbell, the BBC presenter, condemned the “extremely disturbing” remarks and was “sorry” that the broadcaster had not unearthed them.

Yesterday it was revealed that another questioner in the debate, Aman Thakar, was a former Labour candidate who had been seconded to work in party HQ on disciplinary cases including some involving antisemitism. He did not declare this in the programme. Mr Thakar, who told the candidates to call a general election, was suspended from the law firm Leigh Day over a joke he made on Twitter this year that referenced Hitler.

Mr Patel once blamed Israel and the West after a British police officer was murdered by an Islamist terror suspect. His primary school was warned by Ofsted after it segregated mothers and fathers attending pupils’ performances.

The BBC is planning to hold a special edition of Question Time with Fiona Bruce for the final two candidates. One of the campaign teams told The Times that it would be reluctant to take part. “We are concerned about impartiality and the competence of the BBC to pick a fair audience,” a source said........

As always ORAC, we are indebted for your altruism in providing the full text.....and to be fair, the article does contain valid points.....but also contains that tried and tested journo reference to a "source ".......

However, the Mail has decided to give the readership and extra large dollop of Wisteria Avenue outrage this morning.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48699553

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 08:18
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How did those two get in in the first place? Was there an open request to the country, or even one district "Please contact us if you have a Q?"

They are in someone's rollodex, 'aviation - call Learmont', 'veterans - call Nichols', etc.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 08:28
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
How did those two get in in the first place? Was there an open request to the country, or even one district "Please contact us if you have a Q?"

They are in someone's rollodex, 'aviation - call Learmont', 'veterans - call Nichols', etc.
The BBC had 14 producers listed for that production. Not lighting, sound, etc just producers according to their own credits.

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 08:55
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BBC is continually biased in it's political reporting.
As for the licence fee,that can no longer be justified.
It should be scrapped and the BBC should be a subscription service just like the others.
I for one,would not subscribe.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 09:39
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If the BBC was made a subscription service and continued publishing their version of political spin, it is likely they would be relegated to late night advertising slots. Surely very few people would actually pay to suck this stuff up.

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Baltic Skies View Post
BBC is continually biased in it's political reporting.
As for the licence fee,that can no longer be justified.
It should be scrapped and the BBC should be a subscription service just like the others.
I for one,would not subscribe.
Many people disagree with you on the "bias" point and whether the licence fee can be justified - me included.

But, if the BBC were a subscription service you suggest you would not subscribe? That's your prerogative, of course, but are you seriously suggesting that, in the next twelve months, you would not miss any output provided by the BBC?




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Old 20th Jun 2019, 11:09
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Originally Posted by Imagegear View Post
If the BBC was made a subscription service and continued publishing their version of political spin, it is likely they would be relegated to late night advertising slots. Surely very few people would actually pay to suck this stuff up.

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I know what you mean...I guess the BBC (Brexit Broadcasting Corporation) might appeal to the Fox News brigade and their ilk...I'm not sure any liberals, anyone even vaguely left of centre and/or most "remainers" would consider paying for the stuff they put out.

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 11:15
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But, if the BBC were a subscription service you suggest you would not subscribe? That's your prerogative, of course, but are you seriously suggesting that, in the next twelve months, you would not miss any output provided by the BBC?
I pay for my licence, but can honestly say I don’t think I have watched anything on the BBC for years. Most of my viewing is Sky news and sports and channels such as National Geographic, Dave etc.

Hands up that I do listen to R5L during the night and up to 8am.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 11:50
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I pay for my licence, but can honestly say I don’t think I have watched anything on the BBC for years. Most of my viewing is Sky news and sports and channels such as National Geographic, Dave etc.

Hands up that I do listen to R5L during the night and up to 8am.
This is not aimed at you but I think it would be a really interesting experiment for those people who say they never use the BBC to create a log of all the tv, radio and internet they consume. I suspect that most people use far more BBC output than they think; it's such a part of the general fabric that it is easy to take for granted.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 12:12
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Originally Posted by Captivep View Post
This is not aimed at you but I think it would be a really interesting experiment for those people who say they never use the BBC to create a log of all the tv, radio and internet they consume. I suspect that most people use far more BBC output than they think; it's such a part of the general fabric that it is easy to take for granted.
There was a time, not that many years ago, when retaining the BBC was right up there with my Top 3 must haves, along with the Red Arrows and keeping the Union together.

I admit to being one of those that considered the BBC as very much part of the "general fabric", but years of lazy journalism has meant that I really couldn't care a less if it stays or goes anymore.

I get so tired of the BBC just acting as a mouthpiece for the establishment or presenting propaganda as news, continually pushing "diversity" like its got some god given right to tell us all what to believe and how to think and behave.

As a national institution it's time has passed, sadly.

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 13:06
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Most figures show that the BBC gets pretty much equal complaints of left and right wing bias...
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Despite the BBC’s obligation to provide impartial coverage, allegations that the broadcaster lacks impartial and objective journalism are regularly made by observers, whether they be activists, commentators, journalists or politicians.Claims of partisan reporting have come from all angles.

Those on the left of the political spectrum tend to argue that the BBC has a ‘right-wing’, ‘pro-business’, or ‘conservative’ bias. Columnist Owen Jones, for example, recently penned an article suggesting that BBC’s promotion of presenter Andrew Neil is indicative of the “right-wing domination of our media”, and has previously argued that the “BBC’s right wing bias is a threat to democracy and journalism”.

Similarly, those who could be considered on the right of the political spectrum reportedly criticise the BBC’s output as overtly ‘left-wing’, ‘metropolitan’ or ‘liberal’. A notable example being when Nigel Farage, who faced jeers from the audience at a BBC debate during the 2015 election campaign, complained that the audience was “remarkable…even by the left-wing standards of the BBC”.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 16:10
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Most figures show that the BBC gets pretty much equal complaints of left and right wing bias...
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https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/our...eally-fascist/
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 17:05
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Originally Posted by Captivep View Post
This is not aimed at you but I think it would be a really interesting experiment for those people who say they never use the BBC to create a log of all the tv, radio and internet they consume. I suspect that most people use far more BBC output than they think; it's such a part of the general fabric that it is easy to take for granted.
I've worked it out because it is so easy. I have watched about 15 hours of BBC television this year (Line of Duty & Killing Eve plus that debate the other night) My wife listens to the Archers everyday live or via iPlayer. That's it, it really is. But I still think the BBC is worth the licence fee as it is an important part of the UK's culture.

I think SallyAnn1234 made some very pertinent points about the BBC the other day. The BBC was fine in its day when it had limited or no real competition, but now it finds itself in a world full of competition, some of it very targeted. The BBC has responded not by distilling itself down into what the public needs of a PSB, but has panicked and done the complete opposite and tried to park its tank on every competitors lawn.
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