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Free movement - bah, humbug!

Old 2nd Jun 2019, 18:34
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Free movement - bah, humbug!

Just completed the online check-in for a certain airline.
Somehow the process reminded me of when I was 18 years old
and movement was not "free". I am 77 now. Back in those days
I could get a flight to eg. Duseldorf (LTU, I think), or a boat & train to
Aachen, Duseldorf, Wattenscheid (?where that), Dortmund and other places.
Now we have free travel, but not really. Makes me fed up.
(not to mention the numerous nagging, hotel etc reminders in the process)
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 19:43
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Originally Posted by esa-aardvark View Post
Just completed the online check-in for a certain airline.
Somehow the process reminded me of when I was 18 years old
and movement was not "free". I am 77 now. Back in those days
I could get a flight to eg. Duseldorf (LTU, I think), or a boat & train to
Aachen, Duseldorf, Wattenscheid (?where that), Dortmund and other places.
Now we have free travel, but not really. Makes me fed up.
(not to mention the numerous nagging, hotel etc reminders in the process)
I am 77 too, flying was much more relaxed in my day, it will be better after Brexit.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 15:21
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Originally Posted by oldairphot View Post
... it will be better after Brexit.
How, exactly?
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 17:50
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Originally Posted by Katamarino View Post
How, exactly?
Good question...

on-line check isn’t just restricted to EU based airlines and APIS, ESTAs etc are sadly increasingly common worldwide.

As for the actual OP, yes the advertising is a PITA but I don’t see why that in itself is a sign that one freedom of movement/travel has reduced over the last few decades.

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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 18:50
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Freedom of travel is a funny old thing. I have travelled a few times recently between UK & Ireland, a few times by ferry from Holyhead and once by Flybe's finest from Manchester to Knock. Upon arriving at Knock, I had to produce my passport and again on departing for the return trip.
Out of 3 or 4 ferry trips, I have never had to show as much as letter from my Mum, a driving licence, never mind a passport! The assumption has to be that if you are driving your car onto a ship with hundreds of people on it you are a good guy but if you are travelling on an aeroplane with far fewer passengers, you are a potential wrong 'un!
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 22:37
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Freedom of movement failed at day one when we imposed customs limits on what one could bring into the UK.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 07:37
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Freedom of movement failed at day one when we imposed customs limits on what one could bring into the UK.
For the last 20 odd years there have been no customs limits on bringing stuff into the UK from the EU (provided it is for one's own consumption and not for resale), so for a while, things got better - likelihood is that they will revert to type when (eventually) we leave the EU.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 09:58
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Out of 3 or 4 ferry trips, I have never had to show as much as letter from my Mum, a driving licence, never mind a passport! The assumption has to be that if you are driving your car onto a ship with hundreds of people on it you are a good guy but if you are travelling on an aeroplane with far fewer passengers, you are a potential wrong 'un!
Compare the number of hijacked airplanes to the number of hijacked ferries over the past 70 years. There might be a clue there

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Old 4th Jun 2019, 13:41
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Freedom of travel is not universal, but the only place I have been inconvenienced was Frankfurt. I'm a distinguished white-haired gentleman of mature years and passing through security dressed in my smart business suit I took my laptop out of it's bag and sent it through separately along with my mobile phone - as one does. In my bag was a Kindle - and horror of horrors, I had forgotten about it. When the Rosa Klegg look-alike German Security Guard spotted this on the X-Ray all hell broke loose and both I and my bag were carted off to bomb-proof room where the bag was subjected to a special bomb sniffer examination in a wonderful whirring, sniffing, light-flashing machine fresh from a James Bond movie. I was then subjected to a ten minute harangue about security risks and the importance of not putting computers through the X-Ray machine concealed in a laptop bag. Pointing out that the device was neither a computer nor a mobile phone and I was merely following orders provoked a threat of being denied boarding. So much for free movement.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 18:19
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Originally Posted by Blacksheep View Post
Pointing out that the device was neither a computer nor a mobile phone
?????

How do you think a Kindle works if you don't think it's a computer?
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 18:20
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Originally Posted by Blacksheep View Post
Pointing out that the device was neither a computer nor a mobile phone and I was merely following orders
A kindle is a computer which runs a variation on the Android operating system, so they were right and you were wrong.

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Old 4th Jun 2019, 18:28
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Originally Posted by oldairphot View Post
I am 77 too, flying was much more relaxed in my day, it will be better after Brexit.
I'm guessing you read that on the side of a bus or similar.

The reality (rather than the brexiter lie you have swallowed) is that at best it will be the same as it is now, but the more likely scenario is that it will be much worse because we will have lost the relaxed internal borders of the EU.

Most of the issues being complained about are nothing to do with borders; they are just anti-terrorist measures in place of all aviation. I fly on one of my company's corporate jets twice a week, between two of our own sites with only company employees on the aeroplane. We have to observe exactly the same procedures...

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Old 4th Jun 2019, 19:21
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On the other hand, if you choose the right departures security at Schiphol you leave everything in your bags, empty your pockets into the tray, and then pick it all up on the other side. They still pull quite a lot of bags out for a manual check, though.
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Last week -

Budapest - Krakow
Krakow - Warsaw
Warsaw - Budapest

No ID, no hassle, very relaxed.
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 12:02
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Following up my own post.
Took the flight, nice airport, friendly staff, security a bit strange.
Had to take my shoes (metal free) off. If not will set off alarm,
had I gone through the 'other' lane would not have set the alarm off, as
less sensitive. Had a friendly chat with the operator about how sensible
that was. I know from dealings with CAA(?) years ago that there are (were?)
standards for sensitivity, but some airports just set them to the max.
Anyway a nice Gestapo free airport.
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 20:50
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Sometimes there is real sillyness. At a certain European airport my nine year olds tablet was in his bag, forgotten about. Result he was reduced to tears by pointless jobsworth behaviour. I don't know how many tiny blond terrorists are out there but he isn't one.
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 07:58
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A kindle is a computer
And so is my watch, but I wouldn't call it a computer, also a firestick or similar and I'm not aware that you can word process, spreadsheet etc. on any of them.
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 08:27
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
A kindle is a computer
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And so is my watch, but I wouldn't call it a computer, also a firestick or similar and I'm not aware that you can word process, spreadsheet etc. on any of them.
You wouldn't call your watch a computer yet in the first 5 words of your post, you do exactly that.
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 09:45
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
Sometimes there is real sillyness. At a certain European airport my nine year olds tablet was in his bag, forgotten about. Result he was reduced to tears by pointless jobsworth behaviour. I don't know how many tiny blond terrorists are out there but he isn't one.
If you wanted to smuggle something past security, putting it in your child's bag might be a good way to try.
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 17:13
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Back to the point of the OP....
Forget flying for the moment, but have any of you used the Eurotunnel to take your car abroad?
You queue to get your boarding details then queue for passport inspection at UK Border post then drive 150 yards (sorry, metres) to the French Border post where all your details are checked again....
What precisely can have changed in that short open distance?
Could somehow more illegal immigrants or contraband have magically appeared?

Why two sets when one Border post could contain both sets of Border police and thus need just the one check, handing over checked passports to the second mob and when all is happy, hand them back and let us proceed? and vice versa on our return.
We've already booked and paid for tickets, provided all the APIS on however many passengers, if there are roof boxes, trailers or pets, they know when and what time you will be there, car details and so on, yet apart from the cloth testing for explosives or whatever around the steering wheel and door they don't seem to do anything for 10 or more minutes then wave you on - twice.
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