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Old 29th May 2019, 12:22
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Originally Posted by old,not bold View Post
... I would leave the UK permanently, join my son in Poland where he has recently acquired citizenship for himself and his family ... and apply for myself as well. ...
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You mean, unlike all those who have come to Britain but not bothered to take out British citizenship?
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Old 29th May 2019, 13:31
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Having been away for a bit, a quick scan through this Thread shows a significant collection of bigots!
Can we take it then you are a supporter of Boris, and, if so given his glaring narcissism, allied to his many other well documented traits and failings........why ?
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Old 29th May 2019, 13:46
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
You mean, unlike all those who have come to Britain but not bothered to take out British citizenship?
The problem with that being what exactly?
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Old 29th May 2019, 14:42
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Ireland was British for well over a decade after the death of Arthur Wellesley, so allegiance to Britain was quite sensible.

(Probably the only person to have been the political head of state of two of Europe's major countries on different occasions?)
Ireland was never "British".
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Old 29th May 2019, 14:44
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
You mean, unlike all those who have come to Britain but not bothered to take out British citizenship?
And where is that requirement ?
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Old 29th May 2019, 14:49
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
He does, if you believe in the hardest of hard Brexits. In truth if he were to get the top job then you'd probably have 50 or so Tories on the softer side of the party rebelling, much as the ERG has done under May. That is similarly a problem for other more extreme candidates, for example Johnson or Raab. Gove may turn out to be the dark horse. Since he lost failed in his bid last time, he appears to have softened his attitudes a great deal, and could fool the Tory members by being hardline in the leadership election, but a deal more pragmatic in office.

Aside of a general election, the only way the Brexit blockage is going to be removed is by some pretty serious compromise being done on both sides, and not only within the Tories. This appears unlikely as Labour can scent blood, and the Tory party itself can't afford an election at this time, so be prepared for the whole Brexit farce to limp on until 2022, or when a GE is eventually forced through.
Oh there will be a general election, pretty much guaranteed that.

It will be interesting to watch as country implodes as there will be no party with a majority and people will realign all the time.

Cameron will have single handedly brought about the wholescale destruction of the UK.
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Old 29th May 2019, 15:22
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Cameron will have single handedly brought about the wholescale destruction of the UK.
Indeed, the blame for today's mess doesn't sit with May, Corbyn, Juncker, Rees Mogg; not even with Larry the Downing Street cat, it lies fair and square on his shoulders, and those around him who chose to put the unity of the party ahead of the good of the country; then had the audacity to walk off the job to an easy lie of lecture tours and penning his memoirs. The incompetence didn't stop with calling the referendum, it carried, when he decided who should and who should not get the vote, and failed to set thresholds on turnout and / or margin of victory for either side.

I supported him when he came into office, though he did a darn good job in the coalition years (that could have been as much down to the LibDems in his cabinet as to his own competence), but as soon as he won outright in 2015 he showed his true colours - a case of the "Peter principal" if ever there was one.
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:08
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Can we take it then you are a supporter of Boris, and, if so given his glaring narcissism, allied to his many other well documented traits and failings........why ?
Ahhh!! The first one 'bites'! Now how could I have guessed who it would be ... ! Pardon me, but your presumptions are showing.
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:11
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Ireland was never "British".
It has always been part of the British Isles.
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:13
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
It has always been part of the British Isles.
No such geographical term exists only one made up by British Media.
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:18
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
I supported him when he came into office, though he did a darn good job in the coalition years (that could have been as much down to the LibDems in his cabinet as to his own competence), but as soon as he won outright in 2015 he showed his true colours - a case of the "Peter principal" if ever there was one.
Afraid so but it was always glaringly obvious.

Attended a dinner 2 yrs ago where a Knighted captain of industry and arch Tory supporter gave his view on "Call me Dave" and politicians. Said gent is old enough to remember Mrs T in office and it was interesting on his total filleting of Cameron.

Cameron was incompetent from the very start and nothing changed.
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:19
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The problem with that being what exactly?
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And where is that requirement ?
I see it as being rather 'polite' if you are taking up residence in another country for long enough that you would be willing enough to integrate into that society and take out citizenship of that country. But then, I suppose that there are those that are just in it for themselves and don't really want to 'belong' to their new home. Each to their own. Not a 'problem' or a 'requirement' but just showing how much you really appreciate your new home. (I can partly understand it for some of those countries that will not allow dual citizenship as I can see that relinquishing British citizenship could be considered a significant enough loss to make 'home' citizenship less appealing.)
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:27
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
No such geographical term exists only one made up by British Media.

The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic off the north-western coast of continental Europe that consist of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Hebrides and over six thousand smaller isles.[8] They have a total area of about 315,159 km2[5] and a combined population of almost 72 million, and include two sovereign states, the Republic of Ireland (which covers roughly five-sixths of Ireland)[9], and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.


You are confusing the political and the geographical. The British Isles, as shown above, is purely geographical.
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:29
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
No such geographical term exists only one made up by British Media.
You credit the 'British Media' with far, far too much! The αἱ Πρετανικαι νησοι predated the 'British Media' by quite a bit!
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:38
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Ahhh!! The first one 'bites'! Now how could I have guessed who it would be ... ! Pardon me, but your presumptions are showing.
Well on that basis, are your posts on Ireland and citizenship also "lures " ?.......and, to alleviate any presumption on my part, I did ask a question that would provided clarity as to your opinion of Boris. .......which you don't seem to have answered directly.

This thread is about Boris after all....should you have missed the title and subsequent posts as to his unsuitability for the post of PM........although any post in Gov't or politics would be equally applicable.
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:42
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Indeed, the blame for today's mess doesn't sit with May, Corbyn, Juncker, Rees Mogg; not even with Larry the Downing Street cat ...
It goes back many, many years with politicians who "know best" have ignored what the people have been saying on the topic. The people said it clearly on 23 June 2016 and again on 23 May 2019. But those politicians who "know best" are still trying to claim that the people did not know what they were voting for. That is one of the best ways of insulting your electorate. The present UK Parliament seems to be hell bent on discrediting itself. Therefore whoever is the leader of any of the current parliamentary parties might be becoming rather irrelevant.

There is a very good case for almost all the current MPs being given honorary membership of the Monster Raving Loony Party! The only valid case against that could be that it could be taken as an insult to the Monster Raving Loony Party, and if that party sees my comment as such, I apologise!
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:45
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
I see it as being rather 'polite' if you are taking up residence in another country for long enough that you would be willing enough to integrate into that society and take out citizenship of that country. But then, I suppose that there are those that are just in it for themselves and don't really want to 'belong' to their new home. Each to their own. Not a 'problem' or a 'requirement' but just showing how much you really appreciate your new home. (I can partly understand it for some of those countries that will not allow dual citizenship as I can see that relinquishing British citizenship could be considered a significant enough loss to make 'home' citizenship less appealing.)
This has come up before and some here have pointed out they have moved so often they would probably have held half a dozen passports.

There is zero requirement for an EU national to change nationality of they move to another EU country, them's the rules..

..As for the colour of your passport being an indicator of whether you are "taking advantage" or "are in it for themselves" what has the colour off your passport got to do with preventing that..or not? Plenty of Brits screwing the system in the UK, OTOH plenty of EU27 nationals fully contributing to UK society.


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Old 29th May 2019, 16:49
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
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This thread is about Boris after all ...
And in the traditions of Jet Blast, why should it stay 'on topic'? Even then, that topic does have a huge range of valid 'branches' such as US or other citizenship, the geographical name of the area, the Downing Street cat, etc., etc., or even the misuse of 'pseudo ellipses' by some contributors!!
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:58
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Many countries do not allow dual citizenship, taking British citizenship would mean losing their original nationality, in addition many countries only permit you to own property if you are a citizen.

It's not just third world countries that impose these rules, Germany and the Netherlands for example only permit dual nationality in exceptional circumstances.
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Old 29th May 2019, 16:58
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
This has come up before and some here have pointed out they have moved so often they would probably have held half a dozen passports.

There is zero requirement for an EU national to change nationality of they move to another EU country, them's the rules..

..As for the colour of your passport being an indicator of whether you are "taking advantage" or "are in it for themselves" what has the colour off your passport got to do with preventing that..or not? Plenty of Brits screwing the system in the UK, OTOH plenty of EU27 nationals fully contributing to UK society.
Oooh! Touchy subject then? Quite sensibly those 'constantly on the move' wouldn't take out citizenship as they are not 'setting down roots'. I am not talking about 'requirements' here but simply indicating that you are genuinely adopting your new home. But then there are those that may wish to stay 'foreign', their choice. But then their 'right' to complain when the locals don't wish to treat them as 'one of us' has melted away. And that applies to everywhere, I am very definitely not restricting that sentiment to those living in Britain as exactly the same applies to those living in any country in the world. But I can see that it is a touchy subject for some. I wonder why?
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