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Old 22nd May 2019, 17:56
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Boris is the idel chice for PM in 21st century britain
Liar, many occasions
Cheat- ask his wife
Social outcast- shagging his employee or someone close to that
Cheat , ask his wife again and look back on some of his quotes
fraudster ( faking articles for his employers on more than one occasion
Incompetent- look at his time as Foreign sec , Woman in Iran etc

Only interested in himself and making Churchillian comments , without revealing that aside from 1940-1942 Churchill when he was perfect was an awful politician , changing parties being a sort of general renegade, wanting to shoot strikers etc and as per his CIGS excellent autobiography had to continually be stopped from losing the war when after Stalingrad it was clear the Allies would eventually win. And as you probably gather I am not WC fan but it is an insult to a man who was Great when his country needed him to be to be plagiarised by a ludicrous characterture as Johnson
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Old 22nd May 2019, 17:59
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
In medieval England the city mob would have had none of this nonsense and gerrymandering. It'd have marched to parliament, wedged the doors shut with tree trunks and burned the lot to the ground, MPs and all, before electing, in its roughshod way, its own committee of representatives to meet with the Queen. It would thereby have solved the instantaneous problem of human incompetence while at the same time reducing Mr Barry's architectural curiosity to rubble, thus necessitating a change of location of work premises for the inevitable new clutch of parliamentarians.
Really???? What they did do was break into the nearest alcohol store they could find and got drunk, as well as trashing anything they didn't like!!!! You really need to read a proper history book Mr Cheetah, as in the end they lost!!! Also the Conservatives are the masters of Gerrymandering (along with assist stripping), one of the reason's I have never and will never vote for them. Anyhow my favourite version of the "Peasants are Revolting" from 1988/89 if memory serves.





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Old 22nd May 2019, 21:57
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Boris is the ideal choice for PM in 21st century britain
Liar, many occasions............... Etc
Indeed he is. He's perfect for the job. In a way Britain needs him. His entirely predictable disastrous reign as PM will finally scupper the Eton educated elite hold on power.
​​​​​​The fact that the Torys think that another bumbling toff is the ideal candidate for PM in the face of a populist backlash tells you how out of touch with the people they are.

​​​​​In 1945, the people voted for Labour because they realised that WC was not a peacetime leader. The same fate will befall the Boris without the warm glow of a war won. . Unfortunately Corbyn is no Atlee.

Inevitably he will fall too like his friend Maduro will do in due course . I wonder how the political landscape will look after a Marxist Labour government falls?

Will it be right wing populist or Lib Dem?


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Old 22nd May 2019, 22:59
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I see that we're back to using 'Democracy' as justification for whatever the contributor feels will be justified/enhanced/made more acceptable by so doing. As in every such instance, there is never an explanation/amplification as to what the term means or implies. Such usage may sound or look meaningful but, in actuality, it is meaningless. or, rather, it is a Humpty-Dumpty word, meaning whatever the author wants it to mean. Just as "Nationalism is the last refuge of the scoundrel", so 'Democracy' is the last resort quote of the failed argument.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 23:49
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Indeed he is. He's perfect for the job. In a way Britain needs him. His entirely predictable disastrous reign as PM will finally scupper the Eton educated elite hold on power.
​​​​​​The fact that the Torys think that another bumbling toff is the ideal candidate for PM in the face of a populist backlash tells you how out of touch with the people they are.
This "Eton educated elite" myth is really hard to shake. Since WW2 we have had precisely 3 OEs as prime minister, Harold MacMillan - certainly a toff but by no means bumbling, Alec Douglas Home (ok, I'll give you bumbling toff there), and David Cameron, hardly a "toff" in the accepted sense. As for the present cabinet, since the departure of Boris the total of OEs is precisely zero.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 00:52
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Do you think that we, as Brits, might be exhibiting a slight whiff of self importance? Do we honestly believe the rest of the world really gives a crap about what is going on?

I mean Brexit is big news to us but itís hardy going to feature in the news quite so much elsewhere is it?

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Following the Brexit withdrawal in the newspaper (it is still a withdrawal, right? A most appropriate noun, for this case) is a bit like reading some of the U.S.-origin cartoons.
The story line is a bit tenuous and the jokes are a bit thin but you still read it most days because you can normally get a chuckle out of it.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 01:26
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
Indeed he is. He's perfect for the job. In a way Britain needs him. His entirely predictable disastrous reign as PM will finally scupper the Eton educated elite hold on power.
​​​​​​The fact that the Torys think that another bumbling toff is the ideal candidate for PM in the face of a populist backlash tells you how out of touch with the people they are.

​​​​​In 1945, the people voted for Labour because they realised that WC was not a peacetime leader. The same fate will befall the Boris without the warm glow of a war won. . Unfortunately Corbyn is no Atlee.

Inevitably he will fall too like his friend Maduro will do in due course . I wonder how the political landscape will look after a Marxist Labour government falls?

Will it be right wing populist or Lib Dem?


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The former unfortunately, as stated the "Peasants are Revolting" and they come from the countryside (mostly) !!!

Some interesting videos of talks done by an Irish author Fintan O'Toole, about the effects of Brexit on the GFA and how it came about from an external view point. The rise of English Nationalism as a driving force for this whole mess is quite believable based on my own observations having travelled all over the UK in both my service and civilian career's. The bit he does miss out is the Northerner's basic hatred of London and the South East, that is where Cameron and May cocked up (Cameron in hoping that labour voters would save the Conservatives and May in thinking that only Conservatives voted for UKIP). To given an example, I was working on a project up in Sunderland three months ago. Most of the engineers were local and they stated in no uncertain terms that they hated working down south just because the pace of the place was much faster that they were used to. I'll link the video's here as Boris does get a mention or two.



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Old 23rd May 2019, 06:12
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https://www.ruthdudleyedwards.co.uk/...-of-grievance/

Ill-informed Fintan O’Toole has stoked the Irish Republican narrative of grievance
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Old 23rd May 2019, 06:48
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Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD View Post
The bit he does miss out is the Northerner's basic hatred of London and the South East,
You're suggesting that Northerners are all racist bigots? Well I don't know that I would agree, but of you're right it would go some way to explain why so many of them support Brexit.

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Old 23rd May 2019, 07:04
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If you treat different areas of a country differently then resentment will occur, it's a valid reaction and to invite that those who react are racist bigots is childish
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Old 23rd May 2019, 07:05
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Spent many years in the north in the RAF and never saw any hatred of London and the south-east. Scorn yes, hatred no.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 07:43
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Spent many years in the north in the RAF and never saw any hatred of London and the south-east. Scorn yes, hatred no.
It's a very fine line ORAC .

So would now be a good time to mention Boris............ and his day out to Liverpool after his " thoughtful opinion" about the City and the population ?.........

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Old 23rd May 2019, 08:11
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Given the current Brexit impasse, Boris (the subject of this thread originally) may be best advised to let another Aunt Sally take on the poison chalice of PM until the next general election which might unblock it.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 08:31
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Newsnight analysis of the upcoming bunfight predicts as many as seventeen candidates. This will be a marathon vote and, much as I dislike intruding on private grief, highly entertaining. My half crown is riding on The Govester. Highly unattractive I know but undoubtedly the most clever of them. It's difficult to tell who might be the most attractive to the electorate. I have a suspicion that Gove's flummoxed haddock appearance might tell against him in that respect, sad as that might be. Boris OTOH you just suspect might punch a crippled kid, or get caught in flagrante delicto whilst on the hustings or some such basic error.

One thing is certain, Tusk's advice not to waste the time is going to go unneeded.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 09:39
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Ladbrokes have BoJo leading at 6/4, Raab at 4-1, Hunt at 10-1 and The Govester and Leadsom running in fourth at 12-1. The hackneyed Rees-Mogg remains an outside chance at 50-1, with BoJo's brother JoJo relegated to the donkey derby at 200-1, although well in front of 500-1 Chris Grayling, bringing up the rear of the field astride his three-legged blind ass.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 11:00
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There is little doubt that BoJo will win if he gets through to the last two. The only proviso to that is that he will need to weather a pretty strong ABB campaign. Anyone But Boris. He has a fine selection of enemies and should say Gove emerge as a centre right candidate the rest of the party may coalesce around a more One Nation Tory and Bozza gets edged out. I quite fancy those Govester odds. I'm backing the haddock !
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Old 23rd May 2019, 11:17
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Given the current Brexit impasse, Boris (the subject of this thread originally) may be best advised to let another Aunt Sally take on the poison chalice of PM until the next general election which might unblock it.
Nobody refuses the chance of the throne, for it seldom becomes free. To have a second chance is one he cannot afford to let slip again.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
It's a very fine line ORAC .

So would now be a good time to mention Boris............ and his day out to Liverpool after his " thoughtful opinion" about the City and the population ?.........
Don't mention Brexit in Liverpool, you may get your head kicked in or thrown in a fountain. As for up north, I only did Saxa and Spadeadam for 18 months apiece and the people there were fine. Never did Benbecula and only did short dets to the northern east coast radar sites. Some of the vitriol that is coming out of the Northerners I know on social media (Ex Military and Civvies) however is definitely pushing a high level of hatred. As for the Irish bloke's videos, he may be left wing and have a republican bent, but his research does explain the issues in a sensible manner and exposes the Brexiters total ignorance in the problems involved. There are other videos on YouTube that cover the complete cluster that this abortion has become by Sir Ivan Rogers (who is defo not left wing and does have an inside knowledge of how the EU actually works). His views about Johnson's (and all the other Tories) incompetence leaves nothing to the imagination.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 12:07
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I think it's fair to say, coming from Manchester, I'm more than familiar with the opinions from Liverpudlians I know regarding Boris ( and the Sun )

This has been mentioned before, but, it's always useful to offer a reminder where anything to do with Boris is concerned.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ign-court-told
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Old 23rd May 2019, 12:18
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
You're suggesting that Northerners are all racist bigots? Well I don't know that I would agree, but of you're right it would go some way to explain why so many of them support Brexit.

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Politics is a circle. Extreme Right, hatred of people not like you (Race Religion, Etc). Extreme Left, hatred of people who have more than you (Class, Wealth, Etc.). Basically the right want to kick out Johnny Foreigner from Europe. While the Northern Left want to screw over the Rich Right down south out of spite, kill the Tories and get Comrade Corbyn in power. Net result however is the 60% in the middle (including the 20% not interested) get screwed instead. It is a gross simplification, but pretty much correct.
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