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Old 20th May 2019, 17:47
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
My bold. True enough KnC, but I think it would also be reasonable to accept that he had the power and authority to issue orders to CS members of staff. In which case one might say he had the authority without the baggage.
Correct, he did have authority over CS's, but he was never a CS himself. Caused a bit of a kerfuffle at times I recall.

IG.....Boris and credentials / suitability, whatever terms you wish to be PM..........Zero. He's demonstrated on innumerable occasions how his ego overrides his thinking when it comes to diplomacy let alone his well established duplicity. The UK's stock is probably lower than an Oxo cube in the world at the moment..... he would reduce it to powder.
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Old 20th May 2019, 18:14
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Do you think that we, as Brits, might be exhibiting a slight whiff of self importance? Do we honestly believe the rest of the world really gives a crap about what is going on?

I mean Brexit is big news to us but itís hardy going to feature in the news quite so much elsewhere is it?

I know many Canadians and Americans who think we made the right decision to vote leave. I also know lots of Middle Easterners who know nothing of Brexit. I know several Europeans who are very indifferent to say the least.

Iím sure many of you can quote foreigners you have met who think itís awful but who started the conversation? Them or you?

I just think this whole narrative of us being a laughing stock is a little circumstantial to say the least.

Although if it says it in the Guardian, of course, then it must be true.

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Old 20th May 2019, 18:24
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
I’m sure many of you can quote foreigners you have met who think it’s awful but who started the conversation? Them or you?

FWIW the last American I met who had strong views on the subject was an immigration officer doing crew screening a major American airport...he started a short conversation asked specifically about Brexit, and then offered the opinion that " you Brits are mad to plan on leaving a major power block".....then again he also knew Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the Labour Party so maybe the officer was a bit of a politics wonk..

As for many of the Europeans I work with, well they have "skin in the game" and they certainly can't find anything to laugh about..and they certainly will initiate the conversation, especially over a beer or glass of wine on a night stop.
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Old 20th May 2019, 18:27
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Boris and credentials / suitability, whatever terms you wish to be PM..........Zero. He's demonstrated on innumerable occasions how his ego overrides his thinking when it comes to diplomacy let alone his well established duplicity. The UK's stock is probably lower than an Oxo cube in the world at the moment..... he would reduce it to powder.
Whereas Corbyn?
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Old 20th May 2019, 19:35
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Not a good point of argument. I'm pretty sure that KnC doesn't rate Jezza much higher than I do.
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Old 21st May 2019, 01:30
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Originally Posted by funfly View Post
It goes from bad to worse.
What does, your spelling?
It's Boris, not Borris.
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Old 21st May 2019, 03:07
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In the past I would have said that you could not generally tell how successful a person will be as Prime Minister as their job and loyalty to the current prime minister hides their policies and outlook. The current cabinet is so disunited that hardly holds true for this lot.
You can, though, learn about their character. Few can change their character when they are elevated and the flaws that are so apparent in the contenders will carry over into their term if they are chosen.

Not really impressed by the character of the contenders either.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 06:45
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Do you think that we, as Brits, might be exhibiting a slight whiff of self importance? Do we honestly believe the rest of the world really gives a crap about what is going on?

I mean Brexit is big news to us but itís hardy going to feature in the news quite so much elsewhere is it?

I know many Canadians and Americans who think we made the right decision to vote leave. I also know lots of Middle Easterners who know nothing of Brexit. I know several Europeans who are very indifferent to say the least.

Iím sure many of you can quote foreigners you have met who think itís awful but who started the conversation? Them or you?

I just think this whole narrative of us being a laughing stock is a little circumstantial to say the least.

Although if it says it in the Guardian, of course, then it must be true.

BV
Sorry about the operational delay in replying.

There's more than a slight whiff as you put it about the UK's self importance, there's an overpowering stench in fact. True, the UK does, still, have some global influence but it's diminishing rapidly. Given that the posts of PM. Chancellor, Foreign Sec and Defence Sec are the most prominent roles in any Gov't , non of the current incumbents can hardly be said to have been notable for their success.

The world has already had a brief taste of Boris and even by the current dysfunctional state of global politics, he surpassed himself. Do you really think, should he get this backside into No10. international politicians are going to take him seriously ?

Here's Boris doing his version of a "hearts and minds " campaign . Teaming up with Amber, currently overseeing the DWP who are merrily causing misery to millions by their dictatorial stance implementing Gov't policies doesn't exactly compliment his newly discovered affinity for human rights.

However, the article does contain the observations about Boris being in a "different place ". which he always has been, and I like the bit about being "all rounded " because he's always been an amorphous political blob
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ship-bid-pitch


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Old 22nd May 2019, 06:59
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It will be interesting on JB of BoJo gets chosen. There will be run on A&E with cases of apoplexy, cardiac arrest, attempted suicide etc.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 12:16
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If/when we see Boris as PM will HS2 and LHR R3 survive?

He has been pretty vocal about them both. I' not suggesting for a minute that Boris isn't for turning, he is capable of an advanced sequence but would he in the case of these expensive projects? They are both pretty London centric and its the outer London brexiteers he needs back on side.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 12:28
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Due to my job I’ve met a lot of senior politicians, Corbyn, weird, but the I expected that.
Cable, untrustworthy, frankly nasty piece of work, no surprise from his behaviour during the coalition.
Bercow, preening, inadequate popinjay.
Johnson, a mendacious, creeping charlatan. Once my local MP, and sod all use in that job.

In the UK we have universal suffrage and. It seems to me that we have allowed our politicians to steal our rights without a word of protest from anyone. I voted stay in the referendum, the vote was to leave, it was a democratic vote, run as required by UK law. It was a waste of time because the wankspangles in Parliament have decided that the people were wrong and therefore they can overturn the democratic process ignore the right to vote and do what the f### they like.

I‘d love to see a full legal opinion on that as a barrister mate reckons their stance is “close to treasonable, but I’d need to do more research” The sight of Boris et al, hooded, noosed dropping through the trapdoor would gladden my eye.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 13:15
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Originally Posted by Sir Niall Dementia View Post
I‘d love to see a full legal opinion on that as a barrister mate reckons their stance is “close to treasonable, but I’d need to do more research”
Your barrister friend is being testicularly verbose, or at least he would be if he existed...*

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* no actual barrister would speak in those terms, and a non-imaginary barrister would be sufficiently familiar with the treasons act (as amended) to recognise that none of these actions would be covered by any of the five definitions of treason in current English law:
  • Actions that threaten or plan to threaten the death of the Sovereign, the Sovereign's spouse or the heir to the throne
  • Sexual misconduct with the Sovereign's spouse, the Sovereign's unmarried daughter or the spouse of the hier to the throne
  • Going to war against the Sovereign or giving aid and comfort to enemies of the Realm (in the UK or aborad)
  • Murder of the Lord Chancellor or murdering any judges/justices whilst performing (or as a result of performing) their officieal duties.
  • Preventing or attempting to prevent the hier to the thone succeediung to the throne on the death of the Sovereign
So you can see that there is nothing which any non-imaginary barrister could seriously consider to fall under these definitions and become an offence. That's the trouble with making stuff up, you know - people tend to check when you say things that are clearly utter twaddle!

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Old 22nd May 2019, 13:30
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Since weíre on the subject of twaddle didnít you say, not so long ago, that the actions of Shamima Begum could not be considered treasonous?

And yet you just posted this:
  • Going to war against the Sovereign or giving aid and comfort to enemies of the Realm (in the UK or abroad).
Curious. And mischievous on my part.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 13:41
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Old 22nd May 2019, 15:06
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Since weíre on the subject of twaddle didnít you say, not so long ago, that the actions of Shamima Begum could not be considered treasonous?

And yet you just posted this:
  • Going to war against the Sovereign or giving aid and comfort to enemies of the Realm (in the UK or abroad).
Curious. And mischievous on my part.
No, I didn't. I said she couldn't be summarily rendered stateless, and that she should be allowed to return to the UK to face whatever actual charges the state felt they could bring. I also had concerns in that I felt she was both extremelyt young and likely to be regarded as "groomed", both of which would have been potential grounds for an acquittal, let alone strong mitigation in respect to any sentence.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 15:42
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Getting back to the thread then,
We had Cameron who originally shoved us into this hole, followed by May who just dug us in deeper.
If Boris follows her, what is he going to do - shovel the earth back on top of us?
Is it really going to get even worse?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 16:05
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Getting back to the thread then,
We had Cameron who originally shoved us into this hole, followed by May who just dug us in deeper.
If Boris follows her, what is he going to do - shovel the earth back on top of us?
Is it really going to get even worse?
He'll keep digging. It could get worse, Britain is not immune to even more political chaos despite a general conceit that it is.
If he gets in he faces the same choices as May the deal or variation therof, or a hard Brexit. No amount of rhetoric changes that. He may be forced to call a second referendum.

A combination of Boris and a hard Brexit should de-stabilse things sufficiently to usher in Comrade Corbyn for a few years.

Interesting times.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 16:11
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In medieval England the city mob would have had none of this nonsense and gerrymandering. It'd have marched to parliament, wedged the doors shut with tree trunks and burned the lot to the ground, MPs and all, before electing, in its roughshod way, its own committee of representatives to meet with the Queen. It would thereby have solved the instantaneous problem of human incompetence while at the same time reducing Mr Barry's architectural curiosity to rubble, thus necessitating a change of location of work premises for the inevitable new clutch of parliamentarians.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 16:13
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My bad. It must have been someone else.

I knew we locked horns over something but couldnít remember what.

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Old 22nd May 2019, 17:06
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
My bad. It must have been someone else.

I knew we locked horns over something but couldnít remember what.
No worries. It wouldn't surprise me - I'm a "locking horns with" sort of a chap, so I probably said something offensive (defensible, true and accurate, but still offensive) that you can remember!



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