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Old 29th Jun 2019, 13:30
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thought Hunt was slimy. Dear God, if that's your judgement, there must be a total inadequacy of language to describe Johnson!!!
(letís not start the debate about whether it is democratic again!) of course not! Pursuing the wishes of just 29% of the population to ruin the lives of the remainder shouldn't ever be debated - ANY debate relating to fairness or justice should be stifled before it catches on - people will only come to expect more of it ... maybe even MAJORITY rule. Now there's a thought!
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 13:33
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Here's a question.

We know, or at least we think we know the reaction of hardline Brexiteers were the whole project to be cancelled by revocation of Art.50. But what would be the reaction of hardline remainers were Johnson (I only say him as he is more likely to do it) to prorogue parliament and force through a no deal crash out.

I would suggest the level of public disobedience would be of the same order.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 13:45
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You just couldnít pass up the opportunity.

Of course what you meant was that 51.9% of the eligible population, who bothered to vote, voted for something that will have unknown consequences.

We will never know what the millions who didnít vote would have chosen. Just like we canít say for sure what will happen when/if we eventually leave.

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 14:40
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Here's a question.

We know, or at least we think we know the reaction of hardline Brexiteers were the whole project to be cancelled by revocation of Art.50. But what would be the reaction of hardline remainers were Johnson (I only say him as he is more likely to do it) to prorogue parliament and force through a no deal crash out.

I would suggest the level of public disobedience would be of the same order.
Big cities like London etc will be where the public disobedience is and will be difficult to contain if it starts.

Figure that many people will use opportunity to target and abuse Eastern Europeans, enboldend by UK actually leaving, many of those abused will just leave which Brexiteers will cheer at and then wonder why many small local businesses cease to exist.

Boston Linc is prob a good example, 76% vote Brexit, population has grown by 22% since 2001 to 2017 to 68,000. Lots of new shops, new schools, new medical spending. All of a sudden lose 10% of population and businesses have no employees, lots more property around but council starts getting less council tax while needing to spend the same and more.

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 15:19
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But what would be the reaction of hardline remainers were Johnson (I only say him as he is more likely to do it) to prorogue parliament and force through a no deal crash out.I would suggest the level of public disobedience would be of the same order.
The difference being, of course, that 'Remain' lost the referendum.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 15:44
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It is amusing seeing all the "remainers" getting their knickers in a twist at the prospect of BJ winning!!
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 15:52
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I see that Boris has found the "magic money tree", the one the Conservatives accused Corbyn & Labour of having... Also has he rebranded once more the theory of economic "trickle down" ? The one that 90% of the population have been waiting 40 years for? I'm sure all the guff he's coming out with now has been properly planned with the consequences fully understood, because he's that kind of person isn't he? ........
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 16:15
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
of course not! Pursuing the wishes of just 29% of the population to ruin the lives of the remainder shouldn't ever be debated -
I don't know how many times it has to be repeated before it will finally sink in but it is not a case of pursuing the wishes of just 29% of the population.
It is pursuing the wishes of the majority of the eligible population that could be bothered to use their right to vote for something that they wished to see happen.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 16:43
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Pursuing the wishes of just 29% of the population to ruin the lives of the remainder shouldn't ever be debated
17,410,742 voters voted Leave at the referendum; 16,141,241 voted Remain. Of the remaining 12,984,020 eligible voters 25,359 spoiled their ballot papers and the rest were going to vote Leave but couldn't be bothered.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 16:52
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Spoiled Ballot

Iíve never quite understood why anyone would go to the trouble of reaching a polling station and then deliberately ruining their ballot.

What is the point?

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 17:02
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Agreed, a pointless exercise, though some will be simply where people do not understand what they need to do like ticking outside the box or putting crosses in every box but the one you want
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 17:15
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It is amusing seeing all the "remainers" getting their knickers in a twist at the prospect of BJ winning!!
When you've finished chortling and convulsing with laughter.......most people will be convulsing at the prospect in the same way as an emetic produces a similar effect....what makes you so sure that everybody who opposes Boris voted to remain ?................and are you a supporter of Boris, despite incontrovertible evidence as to the fact he's wholly irresponsible and unsuited to the position......or any position for that matter......and if so, why ?

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 17:18
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Well when the next pm is decided we then should concentrate on getting rid of Corbyn & co !!!
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 17:19
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Iíve never quite understood why anyone would go to the trouble of reaching a polling station and then deliberately ruining their ballot.

What is the point?

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Recent local election, three persons to be elected, 3 candidates each from the traditional parties plus one independent. The largest pile to be accurately counted were those of one for each party and or an independent, or only voting for two or one persons, plus the spoilt papers. Very long count.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 19:41
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Did I also mention that I have Canadian citizenship so if it all goes wrong I can bugger off?

Standing by for the outrage and accusations of treason.

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I see nothing outrageous or treasonous in this. But buggering off is not so easily done.

I'm also privileged to hold a Commonwealth passport and given the direction in which the UK has been going these last years, there has been the odd occasion when I have been tempted to consider this alternative. But save for various sojourns abroad, I have lived here since 1959 and would find it very difficult to leave - after all, my life is here. But the land of my birth is not the one of which I have fond memories gong back almost 80 years; it has changed unrecognisably, so the grass is not likely to be greener and I'm much too old to change now.

Depends upon how long you have been away, Bob.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 20:32
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BV, 419, FED et al - So, jolly good at the numbers but, I would suggest, a bit of a deficit on logic. You appear to believe that anyone who wished to leave the EU would be so blase about it that they would pass up on the ONLY opportunity, in 40 or so years, to attain their sought after end. Well, maybe so, but it's a BIG maybe and would predicate an intelligence level akin to a cantankerous child! Now I don't believe that. I see Brexiteers as misled, well-intentioned souls who can't be arsed to think for themselves but will respond to the blandishments of those who understand the power of 'marketing'. They'll rush to the Sales subscribe to the latest fad, accept anybody's promises as long as there is a 'promise' of personal profit. Its quite understandable, but extremely odd, that the basics of logic and simple arithmetic manage to pass them by. Perhaps my problem is that I come from an educational era of learning by rote so I can only continue to repeat THE FACTS in the hope of eventual success!
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 21:18
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
BV, 419, FED et al - So, jolly good at the numbers but, I would suggest, a bit of a deficit on logic. You appear to believe that anyone who wished to leave the EU would be so blase about it that they would pass up on the ONLY opportunity, in 40 or so years, to attain their sought after end. Well, maybe so, but it's a BIG maybe and would predicate an intelligence level akin to a cantankerous child! Now I don't believe that. I see Brexiteers as misled, well-intentioned souls who can't be arsed to think for themselves but will respond to the blandishments of those who understand the power of 'marketing'. They'll rush to the Sales subscribe to the latest fad, accept anybody's promises as long as there is a 'promise' of personal profit. Its quite understandable, but extremely odd, that the basics of logic and simple arithmetic manage to pass them by. Perhaps my problem is that I come from an educational era of learning by rote so I can only continue to repeat THE FACTS in the hope of eventual success!
Very well said!
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 21:24
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
BV, 419, FED et al - So, jolly good at the numbers but, I would suggest, a bit of a deficit on logic. You appear to believe that anyone who wished to leave the EU would be so blase about it that they would pass up on the ONLY opportunity, in 40 or so years, to attain their sought after end. Well, maybe so, but it's a BIG maybe and would predicate an intelligence level akin to a cantankerous child! Now I don't believe that. I see Brexiteers as misled, well-intentioned souls who can't be arsed to think for themselves but will respond to the blandishments of those who understand the power of 'marketing'. They'll rush to the Sales subscribe to the latest fad, accept anybody's promises as long as there is a 'promise' of personal profit. Its quite understandable, but extremely odd, that the basics of logic and simple arithmetic manage to pass them by. Perhaps my problem is that I come from an educational era of learning by rote so I can only continue to repeat THE FACTS in the hope of eventual success!
You can shout "THE FACTS" as often as you like but there is only one important FACT.
The fact that more people voted to leave the EU than voted to remain.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 21:54
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
I see Brexiteers as misled, well-intentioned souls who can't be arsed to think for themselves but will respond to the blandishments of those who understand the power of 'marketing'. They'll rush to the Sales subscribe to the latest fad, accept anybody's promises as long as there is a 'promise' of personal profit. Its quite understandable
Whereas, I see some remainers as people who don't understand how a democratic referendum works, as people who can't be bothered voting for something that will affect them for the rest of their lives, as people who rather than accept that they lost that democratic vote, prefer to insult the people who did vote and who helped that vote go in their favour, and as people who agree with democracy but only if it agrees with what they want.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 22:00
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You can shout "THE FACTS" as often as you like but there is only one important FACT.
The fact that more people voted to leave the EU than voted to remain.
3 years ago. In 1997 more people voted for a Labour government. How long is a vote valid for?

I'm quite aware of how ludicrous this argument is, but the point still stands. Elections have been held and governments changed in less than 3 years. (Until the stupid fixed term Parliament act, obviously. As if that stops politicians looking only at the short term...)



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