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Old 28th Jun 2019, 17:46
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Surely you could have fully embraced your new home and become a French citizen, then you would not have had to feel 'utterly ashamed'?
And that is done quickly how? This isn't the UK, citizenship doesn't just get handed out willy nilly.

I know this might be controversial in this place but maybe a better option would be for A de P Johnson to stop trashing the neighbours and the rest of the world, then those of us overseas either permanently or temporarily ( working/living/holidays..) wouldn't have to contemplate keeping our heads down.

And, FWIW my eldest, who is in the happy position of being able to produce a French passport/ID, had to put up with some adverse comments at work today because of this nonsense...

He will be PM.. he is a liability, this will end in tears.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 20:23
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This isn't the UK, citizenship doesn't just get handed out willy nilly.
Irony.......
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 20:47
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pilotmike: I was about to write a "mea culpa" to your post, correcting me and putting me in my place.
But then I thought "why should I make such a response (deservedly or otherwise) to a rude toe rag who insists on calling me a liar!
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 20:57
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post


Cobblers... The demise of that list has been coming long before brexit.
Brexit has not happened yet, imagine the consequences of a 'no-deal-Brexit', or become an ostrich and bury your head in the sand.

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 22:23
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post


You donít have to look very hard to see the reaction of the stock market and the currency markets when one of the twists in the road over the last 3 years has made a no-deal outcome seem more likely. Even with my limited clairvoyancy skills Iíd be pretty confident of a steep drop in both once no-deal was definite. Everything else would start as a knock on from that.
I suspect the markets are much more concerned with the US/China situation and its possible consequences which have very much more global relevance than the European domestic issue of Brexit. They have taken little notice of it so far.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 23:42
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
pilotmike: I was about to write a "mea culpa" to your post, correcting me and putting me in my place.
But then I thought "why should I make such a response (deservedly or otherwise) to a rude toe rag who insists on calling me a liar!
You wrongly called Hunt a 'loser in business', which is a lie, and not a very pleasant accusation to make. Bizarrely, you then straight away denied calling him a loser, which is another blatant lie - and rather comical.

Ordinarily I'd have laughed at your deluded but entertaining nonsense, as I often do, and left it at that. However, as you were being unnecessarily patronising to ShotOne based solely on your lies, it seemed appropriate to call you out on your lying. And now you're all indignant, so you resort to childish insults, calling me a rude toe rag.

You are funny, Kelvin, the pot calling the kettle black!

Your display of faux outrage at having your lies pointed out is just more entertainment. Did you ever consider becoming a politician? You display many of the ideal qualities.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 06:12
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It will be a shame if the Mandarins get it wrong again.
The only sensible way to run the Conservative show is to put BJ up front to take the country through Brexit with a guarantee from him that he will step aside before May 2022, if asked to do so by the 1922 Committee, in order to allow JH to take a Brexit liberated Britain through the green fields to 2027.
A country discovers war presidents and stumbles upon peace presidents rarely is it graced graced with war and peace presidents. Of course, there will always be a sorry clutch of those who are enamoured of the likes of Maduro, his thrilling son, certain union leaders and dictatorships in general. Those must needs cast their votes for JC and his whizz bang, slash. and burn party and be done with the whole affair.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 06:17
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" A gob called Boris "......with apologies to "The Jam " here.....and those who may be under the impression the substance is purely to compliment Afternoon Tea and have therefore never heard of he group.

The French were just the latest recipients of the inspired waggish wit that will endear him to kindred spirits........but not to the recipients and for anybody who finds themselves the innocent victims of his so called " quips ".

It may take a while, the handlers will obviously try and keep the gob / brain connected, but it won't be long before the brain disengages and he produces more of the same.....with the UK already doing the equivalent of a descent approaching Vne in our standing in the world, with Boris at the controls, there's only going to be one ending. ..no flare involved.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...inister-empire

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-stage-cartoon

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 07:22
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
A country discovers war presidents and stumbles upon peace presidents rarely is it graced graced with war and peace presidents.
And from Wiki:

A 2015 poll administered by the American Political Science Association (APSA) among political scientists specializing in the American presidency had Abraham Lincoln in the top spot, with George Washington, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Thomas Jefferson, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Bill Clinton, ..
and for Britons,

Margaret Thatcher and Clement Attlee shared the highest ranking.
5: Margaret Thatcher.
5: Clement Attlee.
4: Winston Churchill.
4: Henry Campbell-Bannerman.
4: Edward Heath.
4: Harold Macmillan.
3: Herbert Henry Asquith.
3: Stanley Baldwin.
I admit I am surprised to see Ted Heath there.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 07:36
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I have to say itíd be interesting to see an actual world survey of what people think about Britain as a result of Brexit.

I realise there have been multiple media outlets who have found a bunch of hand wringing and exasperated Johnny Foreigners to express their bewilderment.

Lots of people on here will be able to provide examples of people they have met on their travels who are similarly perplexed.

But really. Do we actually think that, globally, that many people pay that much attention to British politics that their perception of us has changed even remotely?

Here in the Middle East there are people who are barely even aware (Iím talking about a fairly enlightened part of the ME as well).

People I have met of other nationalities do not come up to me with their hands on their heads screaming ďwhat have you doneĒ?! In fact, since I have a fairly pronounced English accent (the Queenís, darling, naturally) you would think that I might have come in for some unwanted attention. Alas, no. I havenít had a single person look twice at me or mutter under their breath.

Bearing in mind that since the vote I have travelled to the US, France, Switzerland, Oman, Italy, Cyprus, Crete, Saudi Arabia, Ireland and Germany I can hardly be referred to as insular.

I think there is a distinct possibility that we are all being just a little influenced by what we read and what we want to believe.

If someone is able to produce more than circumstantial evidence to refute my assertion then I will happily withdraw my statement, your honour.

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 08:36
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I have to say itíd be interesting to see an actual world survey of what people think about Britain as a result of Brexit.

I realise there have been multiple media outlets who have found a bunch of hand wringing and exasperated Johnny Foreigners to express their bewilderment.

Lots of people on here will be able to provide examples of people they have met on their travels who are similarly perplexed.

But really. Do we actually think that, globally, that many people pay that much attention to British politics that their perception of us has changed even remotely?

Here in the Middle East there are people who are barely even aware (Iím talking about a fairly enlightened part of the ME as well).

People I have met of other nationalities do not come up to me with their hands on their heads screaming ďwhat have you doneĒ?! In fact, since I have a fairly pronounced English accent (the Queenís, darling, naturally) you would think that I might have come in for some unwanted attention. Alas, no. I havenít had a single person look twice at me or mutter under their breath.

Bearing in mind that since the vote I have travelled to the US, France, Switzerland, Oman, Italy, Cyprus, Crete, Saudi Arabia, Ireland and Germany I can hardly be referred to as insular.

I think there is a distinct possibility that we are all being just a little influenced by what we read and what we want to believe.

If someone is able to produce more than circumstantial evidence to refute my assertion then I will happily withdraw my statement, your honour.

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Well as I'm sure you are aware, carrying out a global survey as to the opinion of the world would be impossible.

That said, do you really believe political leaders from other nations are blissfully unaware of Boris and his well documented history plus openly naked ambition to be PM.....do you really think they are going to be impressed ?......and do you equally believe, that, when it comes to matters of international statesmanship, his representing the UK isn't going to be, to the UK's, as a whole, in every context, detriment.

The UK has slipped from 5th to 7th in world rankings, and the last three years should ensure we make double figures as, and when, we leave the EU. Our representatives , and sections of the media, can posture and be as hyperbolic as they wish, but to no avail. Remember also, the UK has, over the years, peeded off many nations with our arrogance. ........karma, therefore, will become prominent in the eyes and minds of those we have and Boris isn't going to negate this.

Whilst I don't have your international jet set lifestyle, a bus pass and senior rail pass is my transport level, along with not mixing in such esteemed social circles, funnily enough, I do meet overseas visitors who offer their opinion as to Brexit and the state of the UK as a result....they also say nice things about the scenery to save you getting concerned. Of course, maybe the countries you have visited haven't , as yet, been the recipients of Boris's rapacious gob and thus have not felt inclined to inform you of their views as a result.

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 08:38
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I was at a barbecue in France last night and was asked about Brexit by one chap. His opinion was that it was pretty low key until they heard of the Boris "turd" comment. Now they just want us out regardless of the effect on the EU but preferably with as much pain as possible to us. Bozza seems to have done a Mrs Radcliffe on the UK. He is almost certainly correct however in his assertion that there is a new attitude towards the UK.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 09:05
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No. I do not want Boris as my PM. Having said that I would struggle to think of a single MP, from any party, that I respect enough to consider them right for the job.

As for the other heads of state they would almost certainly deem Boris to be a prize [email protected] but they are probably smart enough to not judge Britain by the behaviour of one man. Just as we should not judge the USA by Donald Trump.

Maybe, if our next PM (s) is/are smart they could make others realise that they are fulfilling the democratic mandate (letís not start the debate about whether it is democratic again!) of the British people.

Maybe the other world leaders might actually respect the fact that Britain had the balls to offer itís people a say in the matter and then had the gumption to actually follow through on a promise. Thereby demonstrating the true meaning of democracy.

I realise I am an optimist but thatís me.

Did I also mention that I have Canadian citizenship so if it all goes wrong I can bugger off?

Standing by for the outrage and accusations of treason.

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 09:10
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As for the other heads of state they would almost certainly deem Boris to be a prize [email protected] but they are probably smart enough to not judge Britain by the behaviour of one man.
Not so sure about that... Assuming that Donald Trump represents the ethical and intellectual standard of his country has been a reasonable guideline, judging by the posts on the "US politics hamsterwheel"... It certainly avoids disappointment.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 09:41
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Did I also mention that I have Canadian citizenship so if it all goes wrong I can bugger off?

Standing by for the outrage and accusations of treason.

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OK just for you, so you don't have to hang around this fine morning waiting for the outrage bus .. harummph..."treason", why haven't haven't you fully and permanently "embraced" blah blah blah, ...how dare you keep your options open etc etc....


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Old 29th Jun 2019, 10:05
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In the pub last night, I had a chat with the person who Chairs my constituency's political group of 122 members who, collectively, will be an element of the upcoming vote. When asked the obvious question, he said that he had spoken informally with most of those members (all traditional true blues) and that, without exception, they would nominate Boris. There ensued a deafening silence, interspersed with several 'f*** me' mutterings. Seems to be a shoe-in.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 11:08
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
I was at a barbecue in France last night and was asked about Brexit by one chap. His opinion was that it was pretty low key until they heard of the Boris "turd" comment. Now they just want us out regardless of the effect on the EU but preferably with as much pain as possible to us. Bozza seems to have done a Mrs Radcliffe on the UK. He is almost certainly correct however in his assertion that there is a new attitude towards the UK.
Macron isnít exactly Mr Popular here or in his own backyard...
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 11:11
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In the pub last night, I had a chat with the person who Chairs my constituency's political group of 122 members who, collectively, will be an element of the upcoming vote. When asked the obvious question, he said that he had spoken informally with most of those members (all traditional true blues) and that, without exception, they would nominate Boris. There ensued a deafening silence, interspersed with several 'f*** me' mutterings. Seems to be a shoe-in.
Come on this is Tory party who reverred bankrupt, liar, perjurer, serial womaniser and frequenter of prostitue, Mr Archer.

They also idolised Cecil Parkinson who after doing his deed with Miss Keays, then did everything he could to destroy the child from that and even with child suffering health issues he was quite willing to head to the courts to continue his miserable excuse for an existence in inflicting further pain and cost on his daughter and her mother.

BJ is right up there with his serial womanising, paying for abortions etc etc
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 11:53
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Jindabyne, same here, one of the anointing ones, thought Hunt was slimy.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 12:23
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Being popular in your own backyard isn't in any way the same as offending those who you then want to rely on to help you get something that you need such as a Brexit deal.
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