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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 08:35
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How very noble of Boris's neighbours to run to the Guardian!!!
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 08:40
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So what would be your attitude if a Tory supporter ran to The Mail with an anti Labour story?
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 08:51
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So what would be your attitude if a Tory supporter ran to The Mail with an anti Labour story?
I think the point is really about the motive and credibility of the neighbour.

There seems to have been a history of antipathy between the neighbour, that reported this row to the police, and BJ, so I think it's reasonable to assume that the neighbour's intent in sending the recording to the Guardian was purely to cause more trouble for BJ. If the neighbour's motive was really to help BJ's partner, out of concern for her safety, then the very last thing they should have done was contact a national newspaper with the story, the better course of action would have been to seek to find discreet ways of finding if the lady in question had been harmed, and offering to help support her.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 08:52
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Just wait a cotton picking minute. Are you trying to tell me that there are alternate sources other than the Guardian to inform our opinions?

Are you equally trying to infer that maybe the Guardian is subject to some form of left wing bias?

Are you saying it is possible that, since Boris is currently involved in a leadership contest, that there are people in this world who will do anything to smear his name?

Well I gotta buy me a vowel because O my God. You have shaken my entire belief system to the core.

KnC please give us another Guardian link to assure us all that this canít be true.

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Allow me to restore the shattered integrity of your belief system.......all you have to do is select the publication of choice, there are several to choose from.....and read at your leisure......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48734021
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 08:54
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Does the Guardian pay its informants?
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:01
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I think the point is really about the motive and credibility of the neighbour.

There seems to have been a history of antipathy between the neighbour, that reported this row to the police, and BJ, so I think it's reasonable to assume that the neighbour's intent in sending the recording to the Guardian was purely to cause more trouble for BJ. If the neighbour's motive was really to help BJ's partner, out of concern for her safety, then the very last thing they should have done was contact a national newspaper with the story, the better course of action would have been to seek to find discreet ways of finding if the lady in question had been harmed, and offering to help support her.
Ah, a reprise to your previous deductive reasoning concerning "hogwash " .....this time suggesting "discreet ways " of ascertaining if the lady were safe and thence supporting her.

Given that contacting the police would be the first action of anybody so concerned about a persons safety.......what alternative course of action would you suggest and how would you implement this ?

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:08
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Thank God you were here. Iím not sure what you were hoping to prove though.

The left wing papers are predictable. The right wing papers are as sensationalist as ever.

Just newspapers being newspapers from what I can see. None of this excuses the neighbors for running to the press. As an aside, since they paid £720000 for a flat in London they probably didnít need the money. But who am I to judge?!

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:23
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
. . . should Jezza Corbyn become intoxicated on parsnip wine and run amok on another person's allotment, kicking cabbages and felling their runner beans. I am sure they would declare the old age hippy unfit to govern, . . .
Is that a coded reference to Wurzle Gummidge?

The analogy fails as BJ was in private. Now had you said 'chopped down his neighbour's leylandii'
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:28
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
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Just newspapers being newspapers from what I can see. None of this excuses the neighbors for running to the press. As an aside, since they paid £720000 for a flat in London they probably didnít need the money. But who am I to judge?!

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Maybe they couldn't afford the payments on that £720,000 and really needed the money?

Who knows? (But I'm sure that someone will be trying to find out -- that's their 'privacy' gone!!)
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:38
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Whatever the morality issues raised by Johnson, it's, arguably, more concerning that he has a volatile domestic relationship. That's surely no help to a state of mind when trying to do any job but as Prime Minister...............?
The difference between the modern public figure and those from the past is privacy. Public disclosure was through political cartoonists, scandal sheets and rumour. Today Everyman has his mobile phone, camera, blog site, phone number of their favourite rag.

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:51
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I'm certain that the people who reported the incident did so out of dislike for Johnson and with the intention of damaging his reputation.

But that doesn't change what happened in the flat. It is further evidence, if such were needed, that he is not a suitable character to be Prime Minister of our country.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:56
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Thank God you were here. I’m not sure what you were hoping to prove though.

The left wing papers are predictable. The right wing papers are as sensationalist as ever.

Just newspapers being newspapers from what I can see. None of this excuses the neighbors for running to the press. As an aside, since they paid £720000 for a flat in London they probably didn’t need the money. But who am I to judge?!

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Oh perlease !...one was merely supplying a variety of sources for your consideration being aware of your previous lament in this respect.....us Guardian readers is the epitome of altruism ( apart from ORAC that is ) after all.

But since you mentioned money....funnily enough, so did the lady involved........
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 10:19
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The Mail and Express sent reporters to interview other neighbours who confirmed the incident. Are they 'left wing papers' ?
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 10:36
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I never said they were. I class them as right wing, sensationalist tabloids.

As I said theyíre all as bad as one another but the Guardian is clearly the first point of call for left wing sympathisers.

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 16:47
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Liam Fox made the point on Marr that Boris' GATT claim in the BBC debate that we would be tariff free was wrong. That raises a big issue. Either Boris knew that and he lied or he didn't know it in which case his credentials to be PM are very, very thin indeed.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 18:00
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Liam Fox made the point on Marr that Boris' GATT claim in the BBC debate that we would be tariff free was wrong.
The UK is entitled, under WTO rules, to set its tariffs at zero (the WTO sets maxim tariff rates, but nations are free to set rates lower).

The present intent is to set the rate for about 87% of imports to zero, but that is not set in stone, and could be expanded.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y-no-deal-plan

The reason it could be set in stone is that the world, and particularly the EU, is bypassing the WTO by, instead, using non-tariff barriers. A classic example is the EU using spurious health concerns relating to GM crops. The UK could equally use such measures.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ariff-barriers

https://voxeu.org/article/impact-non...e-after-brexit

So Boris did not lie, he just hinted his trade policy would differ to that currently planned by Liam Fox and his department. But the, the department policy was laid down by Theresa May and the Treasury.

And even further, he was correct in the present rules don’t have to change...


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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 18:35
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ORAC , I get the feeling that you have probably got your finger on the pulse of the Conservative and Unionist Party. What's your take on the groundswell of opinion within the party regarding this leadership vote?

The media, and the bookmakers, clearly seem to believe that Boris Johnson is way ahead, but is this really the case amongst the party faithful? Hunt certainly has serious failings, and few are likely to forget some of the debacles during his tenure as Health Secretary, something that I suspect may linger in the memories of some older Conservative Party members. My take on Jeremy Hunt is that he seems very lacklustre when compared to Boris Johnson, but I suspect he's someone who's more diligent and who probably works harder.

Are Conservative Party members likely to be more tolerant of all the many failings of Boris Johnson, though? I have the horrible feeling that many may be prepared to ignore his complete lack of morals, gross incompetence, laziness, poor judgement etc.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 18:52
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VP959, see PM.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 18:53
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I hope BJ does not get in. or it will be like Donald Trump the 2nd!!. Dominic Rabb might have made a good PM Michael Gove should have been in the final he has more authority than JH when speaking.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 19:42
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I hope BJ does not get in. or it will be like Donald Trump the 2nd!!. Dominic Rabb might have made a good PM Michael Gove should have been in the final he has more authority than JH when speaking.
The ararchy part of me does. The last bit of the empire crumbles from within and the Playing Jesters of Eton were a large part of it.

Maybe the end result with be PR or something different to a FPTP where 63% of people vote against you and you have a majority or 43% of the vote gives you 63% of the seats as in 1997.
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