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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:35
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Boris I don't for one minute believe is as intelligent as some make out, and I ultimately adhere to John Crace's lucid opinion, "A Thinking man's idiot, and an idiots thinking man".

The Tory party are throwing one last roll of the die in desperation, if it doesn't work out, the entire party is finished, as well they know.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:10
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
HAs no one stopped to consider the completely undemocratic process here. MPs representing a party with no majority in parliament-who have suffered devastating losses of support in two recent elections where they only got 20 odd percent of the vote will choose our next Pm from a list of people none of whom is capable of doing the jobsat ahnd ona n issue where most of the country are opposed to on the basis of a rigged vote three years ago since when the value of the pound has gone down, we have no promised trade agreements , we have got through 4 secretaries of state in charge of it two prime ministers and become an object of derision in the world . We have put at risk our industry and health service and yet it is ok for the architects of this utter shambles to choose new PM while insisting that while they can cnange their mind as many times as they like the population cannot.

Allt he candidates are looking only to protect their own party-the guilty party and retain Londons position as the money laundering tax evasion capital of the world while wrecking the rest of the economy . A virtual coup d'etat for the rich
With my cards on the table as a left of centre liberal minded remain voter, I have to disagree that this whole process is in any way undemocratic. We do not elect Prime Ministers in this country, we never have. The very office of Prime Minister is a relatively recent thing. The Prime Minister of Great Britain is whoever happens to be the leader of the party in power. That party right now is the Conservative and Unionist party, and they are holding a contest to elect a new leader according to their own rules. The 2016 referendum was not an exercise in democracy, it was not legally binding and the Government did not have to abide by it, just as they didn't in the 1979 Scottish referendum, but they, and then Parliament, voted to decide to abide by the decision of the 2016 referendum voters, and that decision was then incorporated in their party manifestos for the subsequent 2017 General Election. The country is divided right down the middle on Brexit, as is Parliament, as is every one of the major parties who have a UK wide mandate. So what we have is democracy in action, Parliament reflecting the nation. That IS democracy.

As to a way out by October 31st, who on earth knows? The Northern Ireland backstop and the border position is impossible to resolve, it is mutually exclusive in terms of being solved and the Government of the day delivering their Brexit promise.

The delicious irony for me is that it will be the Conservative and Unionist party of Great Britain who will bring about the demise of the Union, an independent Scotland, and a united Ireland.

Some legacy eh Dave?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:14
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Here we go again! PPRuNe's post above makes use of democracy and'or its derivatives three times. Nowhere does he/she define the term and this is universal. What does it mean? It's a term used with gay abandon throughout almost any political argument and the meaning is never defined - just used to support one point of view. The Brexit vote is constantly referred to as being 'democratic' and, therefore requiring action. What is 'democratic' about the wishes of less than 29% of the population directing the futures of the remainder? Soooooo ... definitions, please, otherwise your arguments will be just so many weasel words ... unless you are Humpty-Dumpty. of course!
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:25
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Cornish Jack,

Er, you want me to define democracy for you because you are either unable to or refuse to?

Go find someone else to do your work for you.

I am perfectly happy in what I mean by democracy thanks, a democratic Parliament in a constitutional monarchy where freedom of expression, association, religion and representation are openly supported in law and no one is above it. And if you cannot understand what is democratic about 29% of the population directing or influencing the remainder, go and google first past the post in an adversarial parliamentary system.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:26
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Here we go again! PPRuNe's post above makes use of democracy and'or its derivatives three times. Nowhere does he/she define the term and this is universal. What does it mean? It's a term used with gay abandon throughout almost any political argument and the meaning is never defined - just used to support one point of view. The Brexit vote is constantly referred to as being 'democratic' and, therefore requiring action. What is 'democratic' about the wishes of less than 29% of the population directing the futures of the remainder? Soooooo ... definitions, please, otherwise your arguments will be just so many weasel words ... unless you are Humpty-Dumpty. of course!
You keep banging this percentage 'drum' but you never wish to listen to the inevitable answer which will follow as surely night follows day.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:33
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Well if the majority of the people in Ireland and Scotland want independence, then giving them it must surely be democratic.

I suspect that the vast majority of the English people would be happy to be rid of them.

So it could be argued the legacy of David Cameron is giving democracy to all three groups.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:02
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keith williams,

Maybe so, but as a former leader of the Conservative and UNIONIST party of great Britain it would be a gift that his party may not be at all too happy about. I personally have no issues whatsoever with a United Ireland or an independent Scotland, just as long as that is what the majority want.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:47
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
keith williams,

Maybe so, but as a former leader of the Conservative and UNIONIST party of great Britain it would be a gift that his party may not be at all too happy about. I personally have no issues whatsoever with a United Ireland or an independent Scotland, just as long as that is what the majority want.
To be clear, you’d be happy for any future referendum/vote on the future independence of NI or Scotland to be decided on the basis of 50% +1?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:01
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What calibre of man is he? His young lady isn't impressed:
“You just don’t care for anything because you’re spoilt. You have no care for money or anything.”
This shocking insult came amidst signs of domestic unrest earlier today. Banging, screams (female, I think) and "Get off my ******* laptop" from the probable PM-to-be. Oh dear.

More in the Guardian.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:16
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What calibre of man is he? His young lady isn't impressed:

This shocking insult came amidst signs of domestic unrest earlier today. Banging, screams (female, I think) and "Get off my ******* laptop" from the probable PM-to-be. Oh dear.

More in the Guardian.
Not nice, but hardly a 'shocking insult'?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:22
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Shock horror - couple have row.....
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:22
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According to some sources, it was a tiny bit more than that..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

"She was heard saying 'get off me' and 'get out of my flat', plus apparently there was crashing, banging and possibly the sounds of crockery being broken....

Maybe it was simply a case of mistaken identity and Boris had thought he had cornered a Greenpeace protestor..or just maybe this event gives him an excuse that might come in handy.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:33
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
According to some sources, it was a tiny bit more than that..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

"She was heard saying 'get off me' and 'get out of my flat', plus apparently there was crashing, banging and possibly the sounds of crockery being broken....

Maybe it was simply a case of mistaken identity and Boris had thought he had cornered a Greenpeace protestor..or just maybe this event gives him an excuse that might come in handy.
I just started laughing out loud from that comment. So loud my wife and kids appeared wondering what had gone wrong because they're used to me being morose lately. Thought I'd finally lost it.

Only Boris can do this.


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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:44
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Really though. The country of Wellington, Disraeli, Gladstone, Churchill, Pitt the various, Lloyd George, Thatcher and even Eden, is about to led by a Boris.

Decline and fall of the British empire writ large.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 21:19
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Really though. The country of Arthur, Benjamin, William, Leonard, William, Lloyd, Margaret and even Anthony, is about to led by an Alexander.
Not sure I see the the problem....
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 21:27
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If this odious person Johnson is declared to be the replacement Prime Minister, I believe that he intends to move into Number 10 with his latest piece of totty. Comments?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 22:50
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post


Not sure I see the the problem....
Orac you old dog
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 23:24
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Lots of press are sitting on their hands until he becomes PM.

There is so much dirt they will have a field day and they will bring him down.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 04:54
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" Interesting that the complainant chose to report it to the Guardian. Anyone might be forgiven for thinking that there may just have been a bit of a political bias there. After all, the police found no case to answer, so what's been reported (as told to the Guardian) could easily be made up hogwash from some leftie out to make a point (and, for the record, I'm no fan of BJ, and think he's a walking disaster waiting to happen "

As you seem confused as to events, the above refers to Boris, not Field, I've kindly relocated your comments to the relevant thread......

For somebody who claims he eschews MSM. and vacillates between political allegiances in order to demonstrate conformity with the status quo here on JB, it's entertaining to read your bit about "hogwash " and "leftie ".......alas, nothing was made up, or if it was, by your reasoning that is, the events that were recorded by a member of the public, were clearly cunningly orchestrated and scripted to offer the Guardian an exclusive. Today's headlines, including the usual rags, have also carried the story of this "easily made up hogwash ".....albeit expertise in this area is a forte some might say, purely with regard to media reporting of course. Not that the Guardian is given to such a style.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-johnsons-home

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48727620
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 05:58
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Would someone kindly tell Boris to smarten himself up. Yet again news pictures showing him running up the stairs of his home with his shirt hanging out. We want a statesman for PM not some scruffy slob who can't dress himself properly.
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