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Old 18th Jun 2019, 10:02
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
May I ask where you might be inclined to place your cross if Johnson wins? Although I'll understand if you want to keep that private of course.
It's a really difficult one; Labour under Corbyn I would have similar issues as with Johnson, that leaves me with Brexit (not in a million years!) or LibDem which (in this constituency) could be potentially be a wasted vote, though with the number of Brexiteers in parts of Broxtowe, and professionals / students resident in other areas the result in this constituency could be very difficult to call.

I really crave a proportional system so that the winner might actually have the at least tacit support of a majority.

As for how Mrs ATN would place her vote, I haven't a clue and wouldn't dream of asking her.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 10:05
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
It's a really difficult one; Labour under Corbyn I would have similar issues as with Johnson, that leaves me with Brexit (not in a million years!) or LibDem which (in this constituency) could be potentially be a wasted vote, though with the number of Brexiteers in parts of Broxtowe, and professionals / students resident in other areas the result in this constituency could be very difficult to call.

I really crave a proportional system so that the winner might actually have the at least tacit support of a majority.

As for how Mrs ATN would place her vote, I haven't a clue and wouldn't dream of asking her.
Thank you.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 10:07
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
The polls disagree, and by far more than any margin of error.




Comres are a reputable agency, but as in all polls you have to ask what the question was, and what is / was the agenda of the client. Agencies don't work for themselves!! Moreover, asking how you'd vote in a GE is a pointless exercise until you know what the policies are, so research of this nature, at this time is to some extent worthless.

I heard it said, though never seen the evidence, that Stewart, despite his apparent unpopularity, polls 2nd among Tory members, behind BoJo, were just the two of them on the ballot paper. I think this, if nothing else, shows that whoever wins, restoring unity in the Tory party will be difficult, verging on impossible until several years after the Brexit deed has been done.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 10:19
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I know several Boris haters.
They all say they'll never vote Conservative with Boris at the helm.
But when pressed, they also all say that come a GE with the cold stark possibilty of a Corbyn government they WILL vote for a BJ government...

What people say to polsters and do in the voting booth are very often very different things...
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 10:37
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ATNotts, at the last elections a considerable number of students were registered at home and did not have a postal vote. Furthermore, with 3 or 4 address changes as a student few would chase the local electoral registration officer with updated addressees. For first 12 years of voting my parents were my proxy but there was a regular push to ensure we registered. Unless a college pushes this it won't happen.

I admit I have no memory of my daughters' registrations at college. I think I may have registered them at home.

Remember, with a routine election every 5 years it will not affect many.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 10:39
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That could also apply to me; not in favour of Brexit or Boris. But far preferable to the catastrophe of a Corbyn government -which in any case would leave the question of Brexit up in the air.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 11:02
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
The polls disagree, and by far more than any margin of error.
Which produces its own uncertainty.

With a massive poll projection would BJ have the balls to go to the country and risk a May Day, or would he hang in and hope things don't turn to ratchet?

He can't call an election before Brexit, or could he?

What would you do?
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 11:07
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
This seems to be turning into "Pedant's Corner"...
"Pedants' Corner" surely?
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 11:30
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Small Cog

You are either a troll or incapable of reading. I canít decide which.

If you were to read my post youíd see that Jeremy Corbyn suggested a maximum wage and I am not in favour.

I suspect you already know that but you derive some strange pleasure from your rather pointless posts. I shall therefore desist.

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Old 18th Jun 2019, 11:51
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Where I live I don't really have a vote. The Tories could put up a monkey for election, and s/he would get in.
However, if all the Tories were so fed up with the Tory Government, and Mr Snorty was their leader, maybe they might all vote Lib Dem?
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
I know several Boris haters.
They all say they'll never vote Conservative with Boris at the helm.
But when pressed, they also all say that come a GE with the cold stark possibilty of a Corbyn government they WILL vote for a BJ government...
Yes, well, here is one Boris-hating Conservative Party member who will not vote Conservative at a GE if Johnson is leader/PM, under any circumstances. In my view he is more dangerous, even, than Corbyn.

But instead of Labour I would vote Lib Dem in the hope that many will do the same to force a coalition, which for all its faults would be better then either a Conservative government under Johnson, or a Labour one under Corbyn.

I also suspect that the first move by a coalition would be a 2nd referendum, if it's not too late and we can still back out of the Brexit fiasco.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 11:58
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Iím the exact opposite. I live on Anglesey so a Conservative vote would always be wasted. Unless we could borrow some of the Peterborough vote riggers for some contract work.

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Well done for selectively quoting my post and completely ignoring the entire spirit of it. I shall try to be more obvious in future for those with limited comprehension.

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Old 18th Jun 2019, 12:32
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For those of a nervous, and paranoid , disposition, this will make disturbing reading.......allied to which, his assessment is fact based.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...oy-ivan-rogers
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 12:40
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Originally Posted by old,not bold View Post
Yes, well, here is one Boris-hating Conservative Party member who will not vote Conservative at a GE if Johnson is leader/PM, under any circumstances. In my view he is more dangerous, even, than Corbyn.
That's truly bizarre. A paid up Tory Party member who would prefer to see a Marxist led Labour government than a Johnson led Conservative one.

As someone asked the other day, are you quite sure you are in the correct party?
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 12:46
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That's truly bizarre. A paid up Tory Party member who would prefer to see a Marxist led Labour government than a Johnson led Conservative one.

As someone asked the other day, are you quite sure you are in the correct party?
Allow me to introduce you to the term "freedom of choice " along with the word "principles ".

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Old 18th Jun 2019, 13:27
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
That's truly bizarre. A paid up Tory Party member who would prefer to see a Marxist led Labour government than a Johnson led Conservative one.

As someone asked the other day, are you quite sure you are in the correct party?
I don't think you understand how disappointed and yes angry, many Tory voters have become. The ERG-controlled Conservative Party has dug this country into a stinking hole that, amongst many other results, will probably end up with the breakup of the United Kingdom.

I for one will not endorse Johnson and his cronies by giving them my vote. I'll be staying at home for the next GE, and if Corbyn does become PM it will be their fault, not mine.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 14:09
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Iím the exact opposite. I live on Anglesey so a Conservative vote would always be wasted. Unless we could borrow some of the Peterborough vote riggers for some contract work.

AM

Well done for selectively quoting my post and completely ignoring the entire spirit of it. I shall try to be more obvious in future for those with limited comprehension.

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Old 18th Jun 2019, 20:37
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Well, saw the debate tonight and for my money Stewart blew it. He looked a mess, took his tie off and leant on his stool. Admittedly someone at the Beeb deliberately chose seats that were neither chair nor stool and looked uncomfortable.

Johnson did OK until he spoke. Then got trapped in the Iran and letter box questions. Gove seemed to do much talking with Hunt sitting back, saying little and only occasionally talking. I think Hunt probably won this one.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 06:01
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It was nice of Boris to remind us as to why he was booted out from being the Foreign Sec........with his dismissive response about the poor lady still incarcerated in Iran.

However, there was some potentially good news yesterday......the expansion plans at LHR........feel free to pick a bulldozer Boris, there will be plenty to choose from....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...he-wrong-notes

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...than-freedland

And one from the Beeb.......also held in high esteem on here, so nobody will be disappointed if the organisation isn't included..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48685344

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Old 19th Jun 2019, 06:50
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Now there's a surprise, the ignored one is the next to post after me. Stalking perhaps because I thought Rory looked scruffy or criticised the Beebs choice of seats?

The whole studio set was odd with the public questioner off to one side.
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