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Old 14th Jun 2019, 01:17
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I have been saying for a long time that your best chance of survival would be to apply for 51st US Statehood. That should give El Trumpo something like 30 million votes of leverage to push it through Congress and, Bob's your Uncle', as you say, you'd be good for years to come.
But you didn't listen to me either and now look at the long drop at the rabbit hole.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 06:04
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Originally Posted by Union Jack View Post
With apologies to the Bard, "The laddie doth protest too much, methinks", since yet again he appears to have missed the point since, given "his aspirations over the years", and using the same principle, Mr Corbyn should equally have been "subjected to the deepest scrutiny possible."



Now you're being fanciful, which rather sweetly suggests that there may even be a soft side to that hard crystalline exterior!

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As we've entered the realm of classical literature, "now is the winter of our discontent " would seem apt....the winter in question, if Boris gets the job, being 2019.....hopefully he won't be around for 2020 because a GE should ensure his tenure as PM parallels that of Foreign Sec.....short, far from sweet and ignominiously booted out, albeit the fizzog will adorn the walls of No 10 in keeping with arcane tradition.

I am bemused, but not surprised given the demographic involved, as to the inability to accept the scrutiny of the candidates.......of course, unlike when Corbyn was elected as leader, there's another small difference here......notably the candidates are all members of the current Gov't and, as such, are in a position to influence and impose policy.

You, and others, also seem to have missed the proposed televised debates.......now why should the broadcasters be interested in holding these if there were no point in doing so ?.......

And then there's the faithful Clarence and Camilla fraternity.......they also get a say and even they should have the acumen, in theory, to want to know about the candidates.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...083c6fecd3200c
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 06:28
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You, and others, also seem to have missed the proposed televised debates.......now why should the broadcasters be interested in holding these if there were no point in doing so ?.
If I was so far ahead in the elections for a new leader, and I knew the propensity for the media to asphyxiate anyone who did not toe their line, and I was not comfortable with the way that spin is being put on everything in order to keep this story at the top of page one. (Even to the point of selecting a liberal wet drip) and to the detriment of the best candidate to deliver what the people voted for, I would not go near a studio for love nor money. I am also of the opinion that the so called "Vanity Candidates" are nothing more than organised spoilers. A pox on their handler's mansions.

The "electorate general" are fully aware of who is pulling the strings here, and they will deliver the appropriate smack down in due course.

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Old 14th Jun 2019, 06:56
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Originally Posted by Imagegear View Post
If I was so far ahead in the elections for a new leader, and I knew the propensity for the media to asphyxiate anyone who did not their line, and I was not comfortable with the way that spin is being put on everything in order to keep this story at the top of page one. (Even to the point of selecting a liberal wet drip) and to the detriment of the best candidate to deliver what the people voted for, I would not go near a studio for love nor money. I am also of the opinion that the so called "Vanity Candidates" are nothing more than organised spoilers. A pox on their handler's mansions.

The "electorate general" are fully aware of who is pulling the strings here, and they will deliver the appropriate smack down in due course.

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Whilst they are all more than capable of saying the first thing that comes into their head in a public debate, the propensity for Boris to defeat himself in this respect is well known and considerably higher than for any other candidate .

Entertaining though this may be, at least it's only in the context of a television debate. Now expand this context to the international arena, as our PM, and it becomes much more serious, as do the ramifications for the UK .

Consequently, any debate which exposes his, already well known and established, propensity for gaffes and arrogance ( as in " F%^k business " for example ) should be welcomed before it's too late and he gets elected.

The media, and one rag ( the Mail, naturally ) even goes so far as to refer to a "coronation " in the offing, are always going to be partisan, irrespective of the party involved, but in the case of Boris, the more air time he has, the more chance there is of him being true to form.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48631732
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 08:26
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
I had originally something to say. You know something worthy, something relevant. Something witty.

But Boris Johnson is about to become Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

Stop, think for a moment. Boris Johnson.

The country of Gladstone, Disraeli, Lord Wellington, Churchill, Atlee, Thatcher, Wilson, yes Blair.

Johnson. Britain a buffoon.

Oh dear.




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Even so, at least he's not Corbyn.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 08:51
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
As we've entered the realm of classical literature, "now is the winter of our discontent " would seem apt....the winter in question, if Boris gets the job, being 2019.....hopefully he won't be around for 2020 because a GE should ensure his tenure as PM parallels that of Foreign Sec.....short, far from sweet and ignominiously booted out, albeit the fizzog will adorn the walls of No 10 in keeping with arcane tradition.

I am bemused, but not surprised given the demographic involved, as to the inability to accept the scrutiny of the candidates.......of course, unlike when Corbyn was elected as leader, there's another small difference here......notably the candidates are all members of the current Gov't and, as such, are in a position to influence and impose policy.

You, and others, also seem to have missed the proposed televised debates.......now why should the broadcasters be interested in holding these if there were no point in doing so ?.......

And then there's the faithful Clarence and Camilla fraternity.......they also get a say and even they should have the acumen, in theory, to want to know about the candidates.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...083c6fecd3200c
He wasn't 'ignominiously booted out', he resigned.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 14:09
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Ah, you can understand the appeal of Boris for some on here.......those with an affinity for the "ignore " button less the questions and opinions don't meet with their approval for example.

So declining to take part in a televised debate may seem a bit petulant, and as others have said, why risk humiliation if you are out in front , but, what about on a broader spectrum when, heaven forbid, he's the PM and has to listen to views he doesn't like or engage in politics with those he doesn't like.

If he can't cope with a debate.....................

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ip-tv-hustings

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Old 14th Jun 2019, 15:27
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Not sure why there would be any value in the BJ (interesting abbreviation, that!) exposing himself (ooer, missus!) to the media. He has, on WATO today, and one of the Beeb's incisive (i.e. interrupt, don't listen) inquisitors took him through a partial catalogue of past idiocies. Johnson, like the abominable T' rump, adores himself and can admit of no fault or failure. One must suppose that as a long term member, he knows the decreasingly few Tory members well enough to trust their innate stupidity. He maintains his viva 'skills' (there is a disconnect between the brain and mouth) as ever, this latest 'slip' being to imply that it would not be possible for a future PM to modify 'back-stop' arrangements. Mardell failed to pick-up on it, of course. It was suggested earlier this morning that the Torygraph employs his written garbage to the tune of £700,000 a year?? If that's true, the 'Gutter Press' has expanded a little. Most worryingly, in this whole fiasco, is that the choice offered is as tempting as a pack of Ryvita. The only upside, so far, is the removal from the list of the Smiling Knife and the Scouse Slapper - male Sexism or good judgement?
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 15:29
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He is taking part in debates - just starting on Tuesday.

That achieves two ends. Firstly, it snubs Ch4, which is no bad thing if you are a Conservative member/voter. Secondly it means that at least 2, probably 3, of the other candidates will have eliminated earlier in the day - and those remaining will be concentrating their fire on each other in pursuit of the second spot.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 15:32
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Among boris many problems is the speak before think issue. As a MP thats ok we can just laugh at him but s PM?? a bit like the recent The 39BN we owe to tthe Eu is really ours - dropped overnight after M macron who knows about such things even if he doesnt know his own people well said that would be a sovereign debt default . So hes dropped it but of course it was covered by his fanboy right wing papers who omit corrections etc and so many people believe thats what he can do-tough man stand up to these bloody foreigners .

Will he for example public espouse that britain stands with USA over the gulf tanker attacks an hour before the head of MI6 tells him it was actually the Americans that did it to provoke things. Not so easy to bumble you way out that one and hey presto we are Americas poodle in another war. At least as a counterpoint to the Back Boris slogan (isnt that a Russian name,) Sack Boris rolls of the tongue just as easily.

There is also the issue that the Tory Party have virtually no public mandate anymore and shouldnt even be allowed to 'appoint' the next PM after ******* up the country completely for three years doing far far far more damage than any amount of Corbyns who might just make rich people pay more tax as opposed to sell the country down the river so rich people pay less tax as Boris promises
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 15:35
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Originally Posted by Loose rivets View Post
I've just read what Max Hastings said. Gasp.

But why then did he employ Boris for so long?
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...prime-minister
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-HASTINGS.html
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 16:47
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His latest ruse re the Irish border is to take the erstwhile smugglers on trust. It is easy to conclude that everything that comes out of his mouth is pfeffel.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 16:52
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When I started this thread it was very much tongue in cheek. The idea that Boris could actually become PM was ludicrous, obscene even, never really going to happen was it?
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 17:58
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
He is taking part in debates - just starting on Tuesday.

That achieves two ends. Firstly, it snubs Ch4, which is no bad thing if you are a Conservative member/voter. Secondly it means that at least 2, probably 3, of the other candidates will have eliminated earlier in the day - and those remaining will be concentrating their fire on each other in pursuit of the second spot.
ORAC, anybody would think C4 isn't pragmatic to judge from your observation. On that basis, well according to JB, the BBC is full of ( insert as required ) so why should he expect better coverage than on C4 ?.

Whilst it will be entertaining to watch the "also ran" doing themselves no favours by attacking each other, surely their efforts would be better aimed at Boris .
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Some years I worked with a young lady who had spent a year as an intern inn his office in London. We were of different political persuasions but had some very interesting conversations. The most interesting thing she said was that Boris' buffoonery was a carefully thought out plan (right down to the hair) until he judged his time was right. She said even then that this would be some years in the future. I would never underestimate the man, he appears to me to be something of an expert tactician who has lulled a lot of people into a false sense of security. .
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The flaw in that theory is rather as if we had embarked upon some disastrous military escapades to convince the Nazis that we hadn't cracked Enigma. At some point the game is no longer worth the candle. I suppose the Iranian woman was just collateral damage.
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ORAC, anybody would think C4 isn't pragmatic to judge from your observation.
I wonder where you got that idea from. But avoiding an hour being insulted by Jon “f**k the Tories” Snow is undoubtedly a sensible move.


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Originally Posted by Teevee View Post
Some years I worked with a young lady who had spent a year as an intern inn his office in London. We were of different political persuasions but had some very interesting conversations. The most interesting thing she said was that Boris' buffoonery was a carefully thought out plan (right down to the hair) until he judged his time was right. She said even then that this would be some years in the future. I would never underestimate the man, he appears to me to be something of an expert tactician who has lulled a lot of people into a false sense of security. .
Unlikely

Just a plain old AHole who has delusions of capability.
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My Post #138 clearly still applies!!!!
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
I wonder where you got that idea from. But avoiding an hour being insulted by Jon “f**k the Tories” Snow is undoubtedly a sensible move.





Fundamentally, that's an admirable sentiment ORAC...whether anybody would wish to do so in the practical sense is, of course, personal choice........

However, with regard to the sentiment.......what happenes if he encounters those who have similar sentiments about the UK....and there's more than a few contenders here across the globe after all...does he recourse to the same excuse at an international level ?...

Last nights feature about Boris......on C4

https://www.channel4.com/news/boris-...dership-debate
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