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Old 31st May 2019, 10:39
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Well even if you really must subscribe to the "lap dog"/ loss of sovereignty argument surely Scotland gaining independence from the UK could be seen as getting rid of one level of interference (London) in Scottish sovereignty... so whats not to like?
If and I repeat If, Scotland broke free of the UK and joined the EU, I imagine that quite a few English businesses would open an office in Scotland to maintain access to the EU. Maybe even car production relocate to Scotland, quite a lot of potential investment. After all, Brexit is and always has been an English problem, not a Scottish one.

Just to keep on thread, BJ for PM, Scotland needs that.
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Old 31st May 2019, 11:39
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
A lot of negativity on this Thread. (I know it is Jet Blast!) But could anyone come up with a positive comment on who they would actually want as PM? (And I know that this is Jet Blast, but keeping within the likely contenders would more sensible.)
Once Brexit is done (or at least finished with - there is a subtle difference!) I would be happy with Dominic Raab, or curiously, were he to have been standing, David Davis. As Brexit is still a work in progress, Jeremy Hunt from the runners and riders already announced, or Phillip Hammond.

The last thing the country needs is some sort of gung-ho extremist who wants to take the UK out come what may on 31st October, whether or not MPs would allow them to do it. Whoever gets the nod, I would expect, to keep he or she honest, we have a general election not long afterwards. If they don't hold a GE, the only way out of the impasse in parliament is likely to have to be a referendum, which believe Hunt has alluded to as a possibility, even if an undesirable one.
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Old 31st May 2019, 12:46
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Since all the contenders are having to give their policy on Brexit, it seems that the votes will be split accordingly rather than on the quality of the candidate.
The final two will likely be one for Brexit and one for Remain. So the Tory party's internal argument will still be determining the country's future. Nothing will have changed since Dave called the referendum to try and save the Party in 2016. Nothing has been learned and nothing gained. Just years wasted and the future of the UK thrown into confusion.
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Old 31st May 2019, 12:53
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Let's hope that both the Tories and Labour will be destroyed by these arguments. Both of them have proven to have zero interest in jobs, industry etc etc. And they both hate Engineers, so they deserve to be destryed.
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Old 31st May 2019, 12:56
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
Let's hope that both the Tories and Labour will be destroyed by these arguments. Both of them have proven to have zero interest in jobs, industry etc etc. And they both hate Engineers, so they deserve to be destryed.
Will make little difference whom is elected. Civil Service runs it.
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Old 31st May 2019, 13:03
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Will make little difference whom is elected. Civil Service runs it.
Wrong of course, but it's a pity they couldn't have controlled Blair and Cameron. We'd be in a far better place now.
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Old 31st May 2019, 14:34
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If you look to Belgium (at the very heart of everyone's glorious EU!), then racedo is probably totally correct. After their 2010 election it took the Belgians a world record 541 days to form a government and life carried on there.

(After this recent election it looks as they might be in for an attempt to break their own previous record! Before anyone talks about a disunited United Kingdom, they should have a close look at the 'unity and harmony' in that country right at the heart of the European Union!!)
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Old 31st May 2019, 15:35
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
A lot of negativity on this Thread. (I know it is Jet Blast!) But could anyone come up with a positive comment on who they would actually want as PM? (And I know that this is Jet Blast, but keeping within the likely contenders would more sensible.)
Here's the deal.

I'll answer your question, and then, you answer mine, the one I've posed before about whether you are pro Boris or anti Boris and if so, why for each choice.

Here's my choice for PM..........no prevaricating with the "Labour aren't in Gov't " line...because they will be, not, as I've said before, a pure Labour Gov't, certainly some form of coalition , but, if Boris gets the job, it will be sooner rather. The other contenders may just struggle on a little longer...but not much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer

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Old 31st May 2019, 16:52
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Wrong of course, but it's a pity they couldn't have controlled Blair and Cameron. We'd be in a far better place now.
A bit unfair, Not all Civil Servant's are incompetent and the better Secretaries of State get the views of people lower down in the food chain than the Permanent Under Secretaries. The Civil Servant's do write the law's based on what the politicians want done (or bring to the politicians attentions that a law needs to be changed). Parliament then cocks them up with loopholes to make a killing for someone. I work with a guy who was quite high up the food chain in Environment a few years back and he really rated John Prescott in the way he got around an incompetent PUS by going to the people lower down. He said that there was a Tory he worked for who was almost as good and a complete ******** called Eric Pickles. At the end of the day, the politicians do get the final say. Blair's problem was that he promised the US that he would support them over Iraq and the political will in the US was to finish Saddam off once and for all (of course the only reason that the war got through Parliament was because the vast majority of the Tories voted for it). Cameron's hands were forced by 120000 Tory old folk who think the UK won WWII by itself.

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Old 1st Jun 2019, 05:46
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Irrespective of the myriad of other reasons why Boris shouldn't be allowed anywhere near No 10, here's one in particular .

When he gets such a ringing endorsement from Trump, then it's safe to say any future trade deals, such as those involving contaminated food for example ( see also C4 "Dispatches " next week ) along with deals being decidedly skewed and not to the UK's benefit, would simply be a matter of Boris plonking his inky thumb print on the documents and that would be that.

Interesting choice of MSM to make this endorsement in though, that glorious rag The Sun, hence a less than cerebral target audience in mind.

And the bit at then end...about the "most loved President "......nothing like modest vanity to ensure you are clueless about the disdain you are held in really.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48478706

PS...woke up breathless with excitement in case Noel had kindly replied.....alas.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 07:43
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Trade deals in the future really don't matter any more than whether Trump gets elected next year or the Conservatives returned to power in 2022.
Right now, Britain, of all European countries, has its backside so sunken in the ooze of the alligator pond that you need an International Harvester 12 cylinder 4x4 to pull you out. Once released from the miasmic slime into which you have got yourself, there'll be time for a hose off, a damage control and rethink and perhaps even a new driver. Right now though, Boris is the only man out there who can drive the truck that can pull you out.
Once he's done that, it'll be time to take revenge on the Europeans and plenty of opportunity to align with e newly elected Trump administration and the Chinese to break the EU financial hold on Europe and destroy the evil empire, so beloved of those Remainers, whether self interested as in the case of Dominic Grieve, or just plain misguided poltroons.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 08:35
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 08:38
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 12:26
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I am not sure that a ringing endorsement from Donald Trump will do Boris Johnson any favours at all. Obama suggested that the UK would be foolish to vote to leave the EU, so of course, we did!

cavortingcheetah great post.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 10:05
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Right now though, Boris is the only man out there who can drive the truck that can pull you out.
......or he would be if he were not a dishonest, amoral, chancer who is prepared to say or do anything to advance his career, which peaked as a visiting clown on "Have I Got News for You".

Let's not forget that he has never admitted that the infamous "Britain pays £350,000,000 every week" lie was a complete invention that he knew people would believe because they wanted to.

Let's not forget that he had two reaction speeches ready for use after the Referendum result; one supporting Remain as the best result ever, and the other saying the same about Leave.

Let's not forget his decision, against all common-sense, that buying expensive water-cannon to use on London's streets would be a good idea; a waste of money amounting to hundreds of thousands of pounds. Do we really want a PM who is so moronic?

Let's not forget that in his brief career as a Foreign Secretary he did more damage in a few months than Mrs Thatcher did in her whole career. Negotiate trade deals?! He couldn't negotiate a discount on a sofa.

The only thing you can say about him is that he demonstrates that you can be clever without being intelligent. He has never grown up from his days posturing with the Bullingdon Club at Oxford; he was an arrogant fool then and he still is now.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 10:33
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As an ardent remainder I would choose Brexit over Boris as PM, the man is completely deluded (like someone else in the news at the moment) and would be open to manipulation from the vile far right in the conservative party , and thats without making us even more of a laughing stock of a nation than we have allowed ourselves to become.

But the Sun and Mail and Express will all support him because they are aligned with the far right and because he is always up for doing something stupid which creates news for them and the telegraph will support him as he is not a broomstick because they would sooner have Hitler than Corbyn
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 10:57
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Here's the deal.

I'll answer your question, and then, you answer mine, the one I've posed before about whether you are pro Boris or anti Boris and if so, why for each choice.

Here's my choice for PM..........no prevaricating with the "Labour aren't in Gov't " line...because they will be, not, as I've said before, a pure Labour Gov't, certainly some form of coalition , but, if Boris gets the job, it will be sooner rather. The other contenders may just struggle on a little longer...but not much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer
On what evidence do you base this?
And how on earth would Starmer become Labour leader??

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Old 4th Jun 2019, 12:39
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
As an ardent remainder I would choose Brexit over Boris as PM, the man is completely deluded (like someone else in the news at the moment) and would be open to manipulation from the vile far right in the conservative party , and thats without making us even more of a laughing stock of a nation than we have allowed ourselves to become.

But the Sun and Mail and Express will all support him because they are aligned with the far right and because he is always up for doing something stupid which creates news for them and the telegraph will support him as he is not a broomstick because they would sooner have Hitler than Corbyn
It will the Etonites that contribute to the breakup of the UK. Something funny about that really.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 14:44
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
It will the Etonites that contribute to the breakup of the UK. Something funny about that really.
Steady on racedo - you've got me agreeing with you again.


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Old 4th Jun 2019, 21:32
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Boris's water canon would have gone down splendidly in London today.
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