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Old 24th Apr 2019, 18:54
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Knives and forks...

When did people start swapping hands for cutting and stabbing, and turning their cutlery upside down to make the fork to mouth movement so awkward? I am definitely getting old. And miserable. What's more, I am enjoying a bloody good grumble😊😉
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 19:09
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When people were stopped being taught how to use cutlery. Never mind knives and forks, have you seen the way people hold a pen/pencil nowadays?
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 19:09
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When did people start swapping hands for cutting and stabbing, and turning their cutlery upside down to make the fork to mouth movement so awkward? I am definitely getting old. And miserable. What's more, I am enjoying a bloody good grumble😊😉
I always thought that was an Americanism, seemed to appear in the eighties.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 21:27
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When people were stopped being taught how to use cutlery. Never mind knives and forks, have you seen the way people hold a pen/pencil nowadays?
This may be the reason that cursive writing has more or less disappeared from the communication skills of those under the age of forty.
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[I always thought that was an Americanism, seemed to appear in the eighties.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...fork-switching
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The change is mostly due to the all thumbs approach to everyday texting
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 11:06
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My late brother who never left these shores in his whole life always used to eat "American style", ie cutting his food then transferring his fork to his right hand to eat. Never knew where he picked the habit up.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 11:40
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Knife skills and fork and knife skills.
When mastered are wonderfully efficient (including fork tines bending down - consider that it is the lower jaw and tongue that move ), are implement poetry in motion and can be done fluidly as second nature.
Good efficiency precludes switching forks from hand to hand and is totally unnecessary. Just a bad habit.
One of each is all that is required. An array of 8 or 9 implements in military formations around a plate are wasteful overkill and pretentious.
I've yet to see someone eat peas with knife, but I'm sure it is very entertaining.

but then, I'm left handed and write well with an easy, efficient grasp and motion.
With the proliferation of keyboard and voice controlled devices - it is a slowly dying skill - much like cathedral stone masonry.

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Even we unswitching Brits have problems. How to eat peas, not with a knife of course but which way up should the fork be held? Spear four or scoop a dozen? One wonders how Mrs Queen handles them, perhaps she only eats mushy?
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 12:04
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Have you ever watched some Americans holding down the food with the knife and trying to cut it with the fork? I have, and they were somewhat bemused as to why it would not work. Despite what the Guardian link said, I still see some French eating that way round now. It defies all logic!
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 12:10
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Being right handed I prefer to have the fork in right hand and the knife in my left hand, however these days the knives at restaurants are blunt and I need to transfer the knife to my right hand to cut the food safely. A few weeks ago at a German restaurant I was cutting into a sausage with the usual blunt knife and with my right hand when the silly thing squirted a stream of fluid onto the shirt of the person sitting at the next table. Fortunately he didn't notice but I only just kept a straight face because it would have been too absurd to explain what happened.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 12:14
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Originally Posted by Tone View Post
Even we unswitching Brits have problems. How to eat peas, not with a knife of course but which way up should the fork be held? Spear four or scoop a dozen? One wonders how Mrs Queen handles them, perhaps she only eats mushy?
I eat my peas with honey
I've done it all my life
It makes them taste quite funny
But it keeps them on my knife
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 12:21
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When etiquette can be disregarded, cut the food (if not already so) into smallish pieces with knife and fork and then eat it with a spoon, using the fork to load the spoon, as you would a dessert. No more scattered peas! No more wasted gravy!

(You mean, eat in the same manner as a 3-year-old? Ed.)

Yes.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 13:12
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Originally Posted by kkbuk View Post
This may be the reason that cursive writing has more or less disappeared from the communication skills of those under the age of forty.
Cursive script is at the heart of every scheme or method of teaching handwriting I've seen in the past 25 years.

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Old 25th Apr 2019, 13:17
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It's one of those cultural differences between Brits and Americans which has always fascinated me; when did our cutlery habits diverge?

​​​​​Whenever travelling on a cruise ship and seated at a table with some of our transatlantic cousins I always ask if they have any idea when it happened. Most haven't even noticed (this isn't a dig at them, by the way) and virtually all of those who do notice have no idea when and why. Only one man ever came up with a theory, which mirrored the one further up the thread; everybody used to do it that way and when Europeans changed to the two hands at once method, America didn't notice and just carried on with the old-fashioned way.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 13:31
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What is more fun that watching an American eat? Watching chopstick users trying knife and fork for the first time. Always a pleasure.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 13:38
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I live in an area where one can often be seated in a cafe with “footballer’s wives”.
Fascinating to watch them trying to cut their food with the point of their knives when said knives have a perfectly good cutting edge.
They also seem to think that cutlery has to be held at the extreme ends.
Is it me?
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 13:39
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Even better the other way round............
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 13:40
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Watching chopstick users trying knife and fork for the first time.
Especially when you prepare the meal buffet style and they dunk the main course into the soup.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 14:25
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I wonder if it is more to do with right hand eating by Arabs and Indians? I fancy this was a sensible hygiene reason where water was always scarce? It would fit with the same logic whose reason was long forgotten.

Maybe this thread should be merged with beer bottle drinking thread.😇
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