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It appears the Paras do not rate Jeremy Corbyn

Old 4th Apr 2019, 09:05
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What colour is the outrage bus?

Did we see such protests as we saw against the 'leader of the free world ' as we saw in London and elsewhere in Europe last year? Do we see protests in the street against the wicked political caricatures in our daily press?

The time to worry is when we don't see such demonstrations. Shooting a picture does not have the same consequences as actually shooting an archduke.

The moronic thing was doing a video and broadcasting it on social media. It is a world of difference from putting an actual execution on social media as has been shown by Isil.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 09:37
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I think these lads should face severe military discipline - Some of them missed!
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 11:00
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo View Post
No one would be wailing if the pic had been Bin Laden or Sadam - isn't this all a bit hypocritical?
You just equated Jeremy Corbyn with some of the most evil people in recent years. Corbyn for all his faults is hardly in the same league.

The Paras probably thought it was funny. But deep thinking isn't a Para strong point. It isn't funny.

Are we to expect the Paras will be surrounding the Commons and 10 Downing in the event of a Corbyn government in an attempt to oust him?

I'm joking but that isn't funny either.

But given the times and the coarsening of politics. It's even conceivable.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 11:05
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Why are these soldiers Morons?
You have no idea of the stress that these men face everyday for months at a time?
So they let off a bit of steam by shooting some paintballs at an image.
Oh Boo Hoo
Typically people looking to be triggered and looking for someone to expel their indignation over.
Rather they shoot a few paintballs, than blow their on heads off when they are treated like vermin by our own politicians.
I tried a google search of how many times Corbyn has visited our troops in Afghan - zero returns.
I do see a lot of images with him with IRA Murderers.

The only thing wrong I see, is their grouping was shit and some prat released it onto social media.
Brave lads is all I see in the video...
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
What colour is the outrage bus?

Did we see such protests as we saw against the 'leader of the free world ' as we saw in London and elsewhere in Europe last year? Do we see protests in the street against the wicked political caricatures in our daily press?

The time to worry is when we don't see such demonstrations. Shooting a picture does not have the same consequences as actually shooting an archduke.

The moronic thing was doing a video and broadcasting it on social media. It is a world of difference from putting an actual execution on social media as has been shown by Isil.
None are paid for by Govt Taxpayer.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 11:56
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
None are paid for by Govt Taxpayer.
The UK has a volunteer citizens ' army.

That they are on the Government payroll does not mean the Government owns them.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 12:00
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Had a text from a friend in Belfast..

"Soldiers in media for shooting someone, a civilian and unarmed, first thought was has to be the Paras, they have lots of form for it"

Bearing in mind he lives in East Belfast with 20 years in Uniform it was not a text would have expected so see from him.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 12:04
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
The UK has a volunteer citizens ' army.

That they are on the Government payroll does not mean the Government owns them.
Correct BUT when in Uniform paid for by HMG, with equipment paid for by HMG and on a base paid for by HMG, there is an expectation of minimum conduct.

Done on a jolly at paintboarding it is a who cares as they on own time.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 12:12
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Why not make it a double whammy
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 12:32
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The paint guns are used to practice quick reaction drills and vehicle drills.
They tend not to hurt quite so much when you ND.
Who gives a monkeys who pays who.
They are doing a job, that most people do not have the stamina to do, they need down time.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 12:58
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Virtually all the posts miss the point. At present we are in a very febrile state. Yesterday afternoon I had a just short of falling out conversation with someone I have known, and more or less regarded as a friend, for more than forty years. The reason for our disagreement - I defended John Bercow's actions as speaker!

In the present situation many are saying we are one step away from rioting on the streets, certainly the police are worried. In such circumstances the last thing we need is idiots ramping things up in this manner. And I would feel the same whoever was
on the target that these morons were shooting at.
Civil unrest - maybe the numerous stabbings in the capital on a daily basis could be a minor speck of ice atop the iceberg here. What was it Steven Macintosh's character DCI Lewis says to our hero "tip of already melting iceberg".

Laughingly or not everyone's favorite tabloid probably scaremongering

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...behaviour.html

On my father's side of the family, one cousin's hubby was a Para 3 decades ago, NI vet...top bloke. When I first met him that time him it was xmas leave as him and his troop were on their way to Ft Hunter Liggett / NTC for Caltrop Force. I have served under those who have gone through hell with P Coy and earned their para wings.

Two things came into my head initially when I saw this ...

1) Someone's idea of stirring things up and getting bunch of lads dressed up as the unit?

2) When the camera flicked around to the end of the range and to the target, thought for a fleeting moment...another frame may have been added in as in one image is of the unit at firing range out there, split second the camera changed to heading range ..might have been doctored or from somwhere else.

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Old 4th Apr 2019, 13:24
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Aren't paintballs non-effective projectiles? Just like Royal Navy submarines patrolling the seas without nuclear warheads (as a certain party leader suggested three years ago).
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 13:56
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pattern is full: This is the wording of the Oath I swore when i joined Her Majesty's Royal Air Force: I still have the attestation document on which the oath bears my signature and although the length of my service is given in the earlier section, the oath itself has no termination date and I remain bound to it.

I... swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will, as in duty bound, honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors, in Person, Crown and Dignity against all enemies, and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors, and of the air officers and officers set over me.

Allegiance is sworn to the Sovereign not the government - nor even the nation. The government is, as I'm sure you are aware, "Her Majesty's Government" and they are bound by a similar oath to members of the armed forces. It is refusal to take the oath of allegiance that prevents Jeremy Corbyn's Irish Republican friends from taking their seats in Parliament.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 16:02
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Originally Posted by Blacksheep View Post
. It is refusal to take the oath of allegiance that prevents Jeremy Corbyn's Irish Republican friends from taking their seats in Parliament.
WRONG

Sinn Fein come from a long list of MPs elected in Northern Ireland and in Ireland in 1918 who refused to sit in Westminster because they believe London rule is illegimate.

Nowt to do with Oath of allegiance.

People elect them because they are very clear they will not sit as MPs, it is rare that a politician keeps their manifesto promise.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 16:03
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Is there a law in Afghanistan that makes it illegal to fire paintballs at pictures of politician's faces.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 16:12
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Is there a law in Afghanistan that makes it illegal to fire paintballs at pictures of politician's faces.
Are NATO forces subject to Afghanistan law ?
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 16:13
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Black sheep , correct

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Old 4th Apr 2019, 17:41
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hopper,
Having looked hard at the video, I sahre your concern that it has probably been edited. Probably filmed and published by Lord Milne, Labour's chief Trot/strategist.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 18:26
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I have no experience of paint balls but would have expected some splatter. Also i thought that the balls would be different colours. The noise was not loud and they were not wearing any East protection. I wonder what exactly we saw.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 18:27
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FWIW when I first trained on low level Sim Attack Profiles my instructor would quite often start the planning cycle with a quip such as ‘The Labour Party conference is being held in this farmhouse Bloggs’...and I’d then plan a LL route and lay down attack against it. Not sure we did any harm and not convinced the guys in the video did either.
I think saying the paras have form based on Bloody Sunday and this is nothing short of ridiculous.
I can see how you might question the judgement of those involved in the video.
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