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Old 21st Aug 2019, 21:18
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post


These things always matter surely ? To everyone just ask the Greeks
Perhaps the euro will collapse, perhaps the farm subsidies will no longer be sufficient to support French
farmers l, no matter how many tonnes of potatoes they
deposit on the Champs Elysee , perhaps Muslim immigration will overrun Marseille and Paris.
Perhaps E German populism will result in right wing terror groups ... as opposed to left wing as before

Perhaps the UK will be a resounding success after Brexit and other EU member countries will be queuing up to do the same .

Perhaps... perhaps, no one knows, least of all you.. What is your agenda and why do you care ?
So true Jack D, amazes me how diehard europhiles continue to pretend they know exactly what is round the next corner when history has consistently proven that pretty much nobody does. Hey ho, 71 days now I believe
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 21:42
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post

Perhaps the UK will be a resounding success after Brexit and other EU member countries will be queuing up to do the same .

Perhaps... perhaps, no one knows, least of all you.. What is your agenda and why do you care ?
Perhaps, yes...
Perhaps people that studied the question know more than you suspect...
Frankly, concerning the fisheries, you did not appear to have even given a thought.

Why do I care ?
Well, I don't.
Just curious to see the miracle happen. But it won't.
You sure gonna leave, and fair winds & following seas !
But they'll procrastinate yet again, not the guts. And guess what ? In three months from now you'll still be there, repeating "this time it is for real" ;-)



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Old 21st Aug 2019, 22:15
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Seems we have movement over the backstop, the EU is finally waking up to the fact we are leaving regardless

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674
That's amusing. The EU as in 27 separate countries are living in terror of the the Brits immolating themselves in what is arguably the most stupid decision since the Germans invaded the Soviet Union in 1941.

When are the English going to wake up to the facts?

Your user name is most appropriate.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 22:15
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Perhaps, yes...
Perhaps people that studied the question know more than you suspect...
Frankly, concerning the fisheries, you did not appear to have even given a thought.

Why do I care ?
Well, I don't.
Just curious to see the miracle happen. But it won't.
You sure gonna leave, and fair winds & following seas !
But they'll procrastinate yet again, not the guts. And

guess what ? In three months from now you'll still be there, repeating "this time it is for real" ;-)
Perhaps ... but I donít think so, as I said before you donít know ! The fishery will be better, but for the UK
and everyone who cares about maintaining fish stocks
Unlike some of our EU brethren.

I see Merkel has thrown BJ a bone, after all the UK buys a lot of German products .. mini Macron will be intractable, so the real stand off will be between him
Germany , Denmark and the Netherlands, the ROI donít really give a damn about anything except continuing to be a net beneficiary and maintaining their present trade and movement levels with the UK
and the other members

I donít know any of this , itís only an opinion.
Unlike you I am not certain of anything, except the UK will leave the EU on or before the 31st Oct .



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Old 21st Aug 2019, 22:17
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Seems we have movement over the backstop, the EU is finally waking up to the fact we are leaving regardless

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674
Nope.

Angela told Boris, "Quit whining and come up with a solution, knowing full well there isn't one."

Boris just got his bluff called.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 22:19
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Statistical aberration perhaps or 'lies . . . '

Regarding free travel, I recall a flight from Belfast to East Midlands. We had just flown in and joined the immigration queue after the Belfast flight. Every went through immigration.
Clearly an anonaly as have flown out of Belfast on loads of occasions to various UK airports and only occasion getting met by anybody was Anti Terrorist police who knew who they wanted.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 22:20
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
FlyA,

The thing is there is movement, the EU's cast in stone attitude is changing and that is a major breakthrough.
LOL

No, border in middle of Irish sea will be the ones they look at.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 22:26
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post
Perhaps ... but I donít think so, as I said before you donít know ! The fishery will be better, but for the UK
and everyone who cares about maintaining fish stocks
Unlike some of our EU brethren.

I see Merkel has thrown BJ a bone, after all the UK buys a lot of German products .. mini Macron will be intractable, so the real stand off will be between him
Germany , Denmark and the Netherlands, the ROI donít really give a damn about anything except continuing to be a net beneficiary and maintaining their present trade and movement levels with the UK
and the other members

I donít know any of this , itís only an opinion.
Unlike you I am not certain of anything, except the UK will leave the EU on or before the 31st Oct .
Yet again you have zero clue. Ireland a net contributor for last 5 years.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...year-1.3467403
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1004/10...t_of_auditors/
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 22:33
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Jack D :
the ROI donít really give a damn about anything except continuing to be a net beneficiary and maintaining their present trade and movement levels with the UK
This it total rubbish. First the RoI has been a net contributor to the EU budget for a few years now. It is a net beneficiary from the SIngle Market and the Customs Union, and like almost all (26 out of 27) of the other beneficiaries we certainly do give a damn.

Clearly Brexiteers are an exception in not seeing any benefits from free trade with their nearest neighbours, something that flies in the face of almost every piece of economic wisdom from Adam Smith to the present day.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 22:42
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Yet again you have zero clue. Ireland a net contributor for last 5 years.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...year-1.3467403
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1004/10...t_of_auditors/
A bit rude .. but yes a small ( tiny) net contributor I stand corrected, but for how long after the UK leaves ?

The UK merely want to manage their own borders,
judicial system, AG and fish industries etc. etc. that is not unreasonable .. itís all about management & self determination . I always remember N Kinnock a failed
leader of the UK Labour Party. He was put out to grass in Brussels where his wife ( a primary school teacher) and son, possibly other family members, were found nice little jobs and expense accounts within the EU structure, I have no reason to believe any of this has changed the only difference being that the EU now has more members and unaccountable beaurocrats
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 22:57
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Originally Posted by Economics101 View Post
Jack D :

This it total rubbish. First the RoI has been a net contributor to the EU budget for a few years now. It is a net beneficiary from the SIngle Market and the Customs Union, and like almost all (26 out of 27) of the other beneficiaries we certainly do give a damn.

Clearly Brexiteers are an exception in not seeing any benefits from free trade with their nearest neighbours, something that flies in the face of almost every piece of economic wisdom from Adam Smith to the present day.
You are absolutely correct in so many ways but itís not all about trade anymore , if the EU were a trade organization as originally planned, all would be well

However it has moved well beyond that original
mandate with, in my opinion, unwelcome ambitions
and excessive control on sovereign nations policies
Some input has been undoubtedly beneficial and
positive but management should be with the independent members not Brussels.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 23:33
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post

The UK merely want to manage their own borders,
And yet the UK has no idea how it will manage said borders, it just buries itís head in the sand and makes contradictory statements (no free movement of EU citizens vs no UK hard border).
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 23:51
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Something that strikes me as curious is the British PM meeting with the national leaders of France and Germany. Perhaps I have this all wrong but isn't membership and/or leaving the EU conditional on agreeing terms with the European Parliament in Brussels, Strasbourg or wherever they happen to be based this month? Surely the European Parliament is above being influenced by national leaders and nationalist politics? Of course they are all away having a nice long break until November, so in the absence of anyone else to talk to... Trouble is, neither Merkel or Macron can okay a deal, only the EU Parliament can do that and they are nowhere to be found. So how will any proposed amended deal be debated and agreed before the 31st of October?

I am genuinely interested in comments about how this problem can be resolved assuming that the leaving date is set in stone and the EU Parliament will remain in recess until after the UK has left the EU.
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 05:48
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
And yet the UK has no idea how it will manage said borders, it just buries itís head in the sand and makes contradictory statements (no free movement of EU citizens vs no UK hard border).
Donít worry, Boris has done it! Heís a genius whoís come up with a plan thatíll stick it to the EU and deliver a Brexit the people want!

All the Irish need to do is totally ignore a few hundred years of history, war and struggles for independence and totally submit again to British rule:

Boris John wants Ireland to leave EU trade rules and form a new union with the UK
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 06:13
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That nice Mr Gove managed to find Holyhead yesterday, or more realistically somebody found it for him, and thereafter with his roseate speech gave the impression he'd popped into either "The Dublin Packet " or the "Edinburgh Castle " both being adjacent to the Port . He missed out mentioning Mona will soon become a lorry park ( along with the revival of RAF Bodorgan, any airfield comes in useful in times of crisis ) to alleviate the chaos at the Port however, not that any will ensue because, as with other ports, the junta have simply bunged money at these locations, albeit not entirely evenly allocated, and the problems will be solved.

The gentleman in Plymouth however, makes you wonder if he reads this site as he used an aviation analogy, was, in contrast, far more realistic and also mentioned the little matter of being starved of funding................. c/o this Gov't.

https://www.channel4.com/news/progra...019/08/21/1900

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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 06:43
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The view from Germany......


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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 06:47
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 07:43
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Economics101,
. . . the RoI has been a net contributor to the EU budget for a few years now. It is a net beneficiary from the SIngle Market and the Customs Union,.
The quote above seems contradictory. Can you explain it?

As an observation, I note the Irish Times article mentions the distortion from multinationals.

GDP here has jumped more than 50 per cent in the past five years, largely because of the distorting impact of multinationals.
As multinationals leave UK I guess there will be a similar distorting effect but by his much?
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 07:53
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Yes, but if you read that it quickly becomes clear that it means leaving with a deal and a free-trade agreement. However Boris continues our headlong rush to the no-deal cliff-edge.
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 07:53
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
FlyA,

The thing is there is movement, the EU's cast in stone attitude is changing and that is a major breakthrough.
I understand that you come to this conclusion if you have to rely on the Mails and others headlines, but in reality and when you are a native german speaker you come to a different conclusion.
In a very Merkelesque (sp?) she said: 'if you think, you can come up with a solution in the next thirty days then tell us about it.' Has Boris come up with something? Thought not...
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