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Old 19th Oct 2021, 20:05
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Maybe bringing in food rather than Gin in future 😢

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Old 26th Oct 2021, 09:13
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Just in case those who are supportive of Brexit felt the problems were now in the past, alas, not so.

Here's the latest involving " how scrutiny works", or rather doesn't and that bastion of incompetence (not entirely unique in the court of the cult of Boris), one Lord Frost.

Sorry to shatter any leavers tranquil delusions

European scrutiny committee puts on stunning display of collective amnesia | John Crace | The Guardian
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 10:17
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How is Mr. Cash (and the little fat Lord Snowflake) surprised by this?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-row-claims-mp

If one acts in bad faith in one part of a partnership, is it really surprising that the other partner is hesitant about continuing to implement other parts of said partnership? Especially, considering that the bad faith actor has not implemented his side of an earlier agreement?
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 10:31
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Originally Posted by Denti View Post
How is Mr. Cash (and the little fat Lord Snowflake) surprised by this?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-row-claims-mp

If one acts in bad faith in one part of a partnership, is it really surprising that the other partner is hesitant about continuing to implement other parts of said partnership? Especially, considering that the bad faith actor has not implemented his side of an earlier agreement?
Mr Cash ad many other Brits appear to be the opinion that as we're British we're entitled to behave this way. It's another example of British exceptionalism that may well have worked when we were pushing around the likes of India and vast chunks of Africa back in the 19th and early 20th century but doesn't was when you're in a situation where you aren't "top dog" anymore and more powerful groups such as the EU aren't afraid to say "Boo!" to you.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 11:05
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The UK signed the Withdrawl Agreement, all 2 zillion pages of it with no intention of carrying out the obligations, the EU were expecting this because of the way that the negotiations were carried out in such bad faith. The UK were convinced that they had a “negotiating position”, we never did, ever, and redline after redline passed, it was simply that the EU have rules for everything and we fit in with those.
Regardless of that we made it much worse by leaving ALL the EU regulatory systems, Transport, VAT, Safety, Labour, Aviation and others, we could have stayed in EASA but right wing ideology thinks we can do better living in isolation.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 14:45
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There was a time when an Englishman's word was his bond. It seems those days have passed. Signing treaties with little intention of complying with them is not only disgraceful but is also undermining our position in the world. Or perhaps I am just a naive old git who doesn't understand the modern world.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 15:51
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Bergerie1, I think you and I are members of the same club ...
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 16:22
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Bergerie1, I think you and I are members of the same club ...
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Can I join, or is there a waiting list 🙂

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Old 26th Oct 2021, 17:32
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Noticeable lack of Brexit defenders suddenly. I think that it has dawned on them that they have been sold a distemper ridden pup.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 17:36
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Noticeable lack of Brexit defenders suddenly. I think that it has dawned on them that they have been sold a distemper ridden pup.
I doubt it. More likely they are wringing their hands simply failing to grasp why we won't accept the fact Brexit has happened and just go away.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 17:56
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Or given up wasting their time and effort on people who have no intention of listening to any reasoned argument since their minds are made up? As I have said previously, the epithet "gammon" most definintely applies to the remainers on here.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 17:59
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Or given up wasting their time and effort on people who have no intention of listening to any reasoned argument since their minds are made up? As I have said previously, the epithet "gammon" most definintely applies to the remainers on here.
I am eager to be convinced by the positives. Go ahead, make my day.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 18:13
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Originally Posted by BizJetJock View Post
Or given up wasting their time and effort on people who have no intention of listening to any reasoned argument since their minds are made up? As I have said previously, the epithet "gammon" most definintely applies to the remainers on here.
Yep, I’m all ears too. I get that this is about certain principles (including fears and frustrations on a series of themes) for many people. And that these principles have been given an “at any price” weighting. But I’m missing the reasoned arguments that mitigate the short-to medium term damage to the UK economy and how it is that we will actually arrive at this Valhalla of independence in the future. You know, one where the UK counts in the world, UK citizens own the nation’s resources; is not ridden with debt, national and private, etc. In short, right now, Brexit looks like a crock of sh*t.

It reminds me of the Iraq war; where a lot of people made some very good arguments as to why it was not justified and a very bad idea. And they were completely right. But the country went to war anyway.

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Old 26th Oct 2021, 18:13
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Originally Posted by BizJetJock View Post
Or given up wasting their time and effort on people who have no intention of listening to any reasoned argument since their minds are made up? As I have said previously, the epithet "gammon" most definintely applies to the remainers on here.
Please enlighten us: many times I've asked for a list of the benefits, & a list of all the promises made good, as have many others. Feel free to post them here, no-ones stopping you. No remainers here, since we've now left: you won, get over it.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 19:41
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Originally Posted by BizJetJock View Post
Or given up wasting their time and effort on people who have no intention of listening to any reasoned argument since their minds are made up? As I have said previously, the epithet "gammon" most definintely applies to the remainers on here.
Collins English dictionary does not seem to think so:-

Gammon

British derogatory, slang
a person, typically male, middle-aged, and White, with reactionary views, especially one who supports the withdrawal of Britain from the European Union
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 21:21
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Originally Posted by BizJetJock View Post
Or given up wasting their time and effort on people who have no intention of listening to any reasoned argument since their minds are made up? As I have said previously, the epithet "gammon" most definintely applies to the remainers on here.
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I am all ears, please can we have a list of benefits as you see them, though your list as you see them should of course have some grounding in reality if you please.

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Old 26th Oct 2021, 22:22
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Gammon

British derogatory, slang
a person, typically male, middle-aged, and White, with reactionary views, especially one who supports the withdrawal of Britain from the European Union
Wonderful idea ... and yet with such limited categories of 'person' ... and so incorrect it's laughable. On a par with the various BoJo slogans of the last few years. Move on, nothing to see ...
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 09:28
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Originally Posted by BizJetJock View Post
Or given up wasting their time and effort on people who have no intention of listening to any reasoned argument since their minds are made up? As I have said previously, the epithet "gammon" most definintely applies to the remainers on here.
You seem oblivious to the fact innumerable reasoned arguments have been posted on here over time, but, these have invariably encountered myopic obduracy by way of response plus, at times, a certain arrogance and contempt for those of us who were not enticed by the surfeit of orchestrated disinformation, downright lies and undisguised malice allied to overt jingoism,

However, as you mention gammon, allow me to offer you this selection .. UK pig sources only of course.

Gammon recipes | BBC Good Food
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 09:46
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KnC ... stopping hamming up the situation! Piggin' ridiculous! Mind you there's plenty who want to get their snouts in the trough ...
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 15:28
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Meanwhile, fancy one of the (former) great sea faring nations and now poised to be resurrected as brand "Global Britain" being, erm, by-passed.. Surely when "getting Brexit done ! " was the mantra of the hour, on the hour, every hour, the possibility of shipping cargo in this manner would have been considered and contingency plans put in place ?...maybe the EU should ask for a refund as they kindly contributed to the upgrade of the A55 and, well, it's hardly going to be used now.

Freight traffic between Great Britain and Dublin drops by a fifth | Ireland | The Guardian
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