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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 14:34
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
Ah then you decided to be dishonest. At least we know what we're dealing with then. Good to know.

I know perfectly well what F**k Off means.

When you're in a hole, stop digging.
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 14:57
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OK so this is Jet Blast, but I am disappointed by how quickly folk sink to the lowest common denominator when calling out other folk. We really don't need this sort of playground language, regardless of one's nationality, race or place of residence. Strong views and opinions are acceptable, especially if they are expressed in a logical, cohesive and clear fashion. Name-calling is not acceptable, and adds nothing to the discussion - or this thread - except to prove that there are those participating in it who cannot behave in a grown-up and dignified manner, whatever their point of view.
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 15:52
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Anyway....I see the old chestnut of people not accepting the referendum result and democracy is rearing it's head again.

I appreciate many here feel the Remainers should just ..err shut up.. but if anybody is puzzled as to why many associated with the Remain Campaign still feel campaigning is right and justified then maybe they need to think back to what Nigel Farage said prior to the Referendum about what would happen would happen if the Referendum result turned out to be 48%/52%.....
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 16:08
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
.. but if anybody is puzzled as to why many associated with the Remain Campaign still feel campaigning is right and justified then maybe they need to think back to what Nigel Farage said prior to the Referendum about what would happen would happen if the Referendum result turned out to be 48%/52%.....
wiggy, you have enlightened me and like a lightening flash I can now see what should have been obvious all along:

Remoaners are like Nigel Farage!!

Thanks for that!
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 17:13
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
All, and I repeat, all my English family members and friends would love to rid themselves of the Irish problem and, especially, the Scots.

Not sure if they are representative of the whole of England, but they're fed up to the back teeth of pouring money into a part of the UK which doesn't want to be a part of the UK and another part of the UK where half the population supported terrorism against UK citizens and 20 years later still can't get along well enough to form an administration.
Quite rightly, NI is a bottomless pit of money for the English taxpayer. They're on a gravy train. No wonder the colonists are so loyal.
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 17:22
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
Quite rightly, NI is a bottomless pit of money for the English taxpayer. They're on a gravy train. No wonder the colonists are so loyal.

Belfast, Edinburgh, Brussels - they all have their hands in other peoples' pockets....Cardiff - no idea....

Anyway....You shouldn't be posting on here - not being British and all that....

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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 17:41
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Charming indeed.
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It is said that he who shouts and swears has lost the argument.
I'm afraid, like Hussar before you, you have failed to comprehend what was actually being said. So, for the record, here is Hussar suggesting people enamoured of the EU should leave the UK to live in it.

Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post

Just think how much pressure would be released away from public services and housing shortages if only half of them followed their dream and invested fully in being a fully paid up European citizen in, say, Bulgaria or Latvia or even Ireland.
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Now I find that a disgraceful attitude, then again, he's just floated the idea that Northern Ireland are a pack of ungrateful spongers who should be booted out of the UK, so what we are dealing with here is someone off the actual charts of rational discourse, but I digress. What I did was to distil this:

Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post

Just think how much pressure would be released away from public services and housing shortages if only half of them followed their dream and invested fully in being a fully paid up European citizen in, say, Bulgaria or Latvia or even Ireland.
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Into its core message, I.e. This:

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And that's before we come to the actual nastiness of that view. Don't like it? F**k off then. Charming.
Now, I would have thought it perfectly obvious, nevertheless, right on time, the outrage express rolled into moantown right on time. Luckily for me, after everyone else went & got all uppity about losing arguments & all that, Hussar confirmed he knew exactly what was being said & the intent. Cool, then we know the outrage was all faux, son et lumiere as they say in Hyeres where people go out of their way to wilfully misinterpret words to suit an agenda.

So, soz for the earthy language, but the time comes now & then when an absolute record breaking, off the scale, zealot needs exposing for the grim pedlar of rancour they are & I won't shy away from it. Pitiful in every way.
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 17:46
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
I'm afraid, like Hussar before you, you have failed to comprehend what was actually being said. So, for the record, here is Hussar suggesting people enamoured of the EU should leave the UK to live in it.



Now I find that a disgraceful attitude, then again, he's just floated the idea that Northern Ireland are a pack of ungrateful spongers who should be booted out of the UK, so what we are dealing with here is someone off the actual charts of rational discourse, but I digress. What I did was to distil this:




Into its core message, I.e. This:



Now, I would have thought it perfectly obvious, nevertheless, right on time, the outrage express rolled into moantown right on time. Luckily for me, after everyone else went & got all uppity about losing arguments & all that, Hussar confirmed he knew exactly what was being said & the intent. Cool, then we know the outrage was all faux, son et lumiere as they say in Hyeres where people go out of their way to wilfully misinterpret words to suit an agenda.

So, soz for the earthy language, but the time comes now & then when an absolute record breaking, off the scale, zealot needs exposing for the grim pedlar of rancour they are & I won't shy away from it. Pitiful in every way.

You reached the bottom of your hole yet ?

And the limit of your personal abuse ?

We#ll let the mods decide.

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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 17:53
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I see even when it's spelt out in capital letters very slowly, you still make the choice to misunderstand. I take it as read from your last sentence, you are so sure of your views on deporting people who don't share your politics (Hmmm, where have we seen that before?) that you're currently mashing the report button. How lovely.
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 18:02
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
I see even when it's spelt out in capital letters very slowly, you still make the choice to misunderstand. I take it as read from your last sentence, you are so sure of your views on deporting people who don't share your politics (Hmmm, where have we seen that before?) that you're currently mashing the report button. How lovely.


Where did I mention deported ??

But don't bother to reply - I'm not here, I've F**cked Off as you told me to.



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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 18:41
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Sprigget, I was referring not to what either you or Hussar said but your uncouth comments. You clearly did not understand what I meant. Debate on fact and opinion not abuse.
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 18:59
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Just idle curiosity on my part, but does anyone else think that Sproggett and Parapunter are one and the same?

If so, why the need to post under a different name?
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 19:15
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Just idle curiosity on my part, but does anyone else think that Sproggett and Parapunter are one and the same?

If so, why the need to post under a different name?
Mmmm, interesting thought. Strange how Parapunter has been MIA for a couple of days (last posted 21 March pm), just as Sproggett suddenly reappears (first post in months 22 March am)

Edited to add...

After a bit of digging, Parapunter was silent between 15 November last year and 7 January this year. Sproggett, who had been silent since May last year, suddenly became very active on 16 November until, guess when... ohhh, 5 January.

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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 20:02
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Now I'm not a mathematician but it seems that approximately 35% of the potential electorate voted to remain in the EU, which means that 65% of that same group did not vote to remain in the EU. Seems like a pretty overwhelming majority for leaving to me.
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 20:40
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
It's nationalist stupidity like that, that got us into the shit we are in now.
Years of blatant lies from the red top rags, blind nationalism and the Dunning-Kruger effect are to blame for the shit we are in.
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 21:19
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Found this YouTube video from November 2017:

Then I spotted these, some differing views on the subject:

I am beginning to think the old quotation below is more apt for Brexit not happening, especially when we are getting articles like this, I know it is the Daily Mail but it cannot be total fabrication/fake news, or can it:
http://its no deal or norway gloating eu

They think it is all over, it is now
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 21:48
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
The world has changed and answers to problems are not always military any more. I can't predict how it will happen this time but maybe Britain could help with some kind of 'Marshal Plan' after the 'yellow vests' and Macron's army, German motor manufacturers cheating, Italian budget chaos, Belgian disunity, Hungarian immigration policies, Spanish separatism problems, and the various 'populist' uprisings have brought Europe to its economic knees. However it happens, Britain will be able to help best from the outside, as they did so successfully when they stepped in from the outside to help save Europe from itself in the 18th and 19th Centuries and twice in the 20th Century. I just hope that we manage to avoid military involvement next time, but that (as every time in the past) will depend on the nature of chaos that the Europeans bring on themselves.
Precisely how is an impoverished Britain going to be able to fund a "Marshall Plan"? As for military involvement, have you any comprehension of the size of our armed forces?
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 22:41
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Originally Posted by kkbuk View Post
Precisely how is an impoverished Britain going to be able to fund a "Marshall Plan"? As for military involvement, have you any comprehension of the size of our armed forces?
We won't, of course.
Except in the imagination of Brexiteers who still believe they are in the Victorian era when Britain ruled the waves.

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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 23:06
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Which Brexiteers believe that?

Please be specific, as I am sure that you would not want the accusation of 'wild and inaccurate comments' to be pointed your way.
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 23:14
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Interesting, that’s to say bizarre, to see so many Labour banners amongst today’s march. Would that be the same Labour party which last week refused to support a vote on the very thing they’re supposedly marching for? Is there no
limit to their populist opportunism?
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