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Old 19th Sep 2021, 18:01
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It will be interesting to see if Bojo proposes we move East of Aden, or indeed Singapore again, not sure how this will be paid for, but I am not sure the younger generation will be that interested . I would politely suggest, delays into the likes of Palma/ Alicante maybe more important to them rather than trade / gunboats on the China station. The Bayern visit is the first visit in I think 20 years of the German Navy, according to media. As for RN, Grotty forgot to mention we are sending some River Class (Glorified Minesweepers out there) for some reason, maybe to spread the global Britain mantra. It would be remiss of me to point out that this Class is slightly smaller than a certain Russians multiple yachts, but hey ho, my spelling is more important than content 🙂🙂

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Old 20th Sep 2021, 09:40
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I hear, from this morning's Today programme, that the latest holder of the Foreign Secretary's office has issued some sort of demand that Iran should release Nazanin Zhghari-Ratcliffe and the other hostage. That'll teach them to behave properly.!!
Ms Z-R's plight having been changed, from difficult to impossible, by the utter idiocy of the Buffoon when he was in that office, the efforts of the 'cheese enthusiast' can only add yet more misery. Her various, previous vocal efforts having stirred unintended emotions, she would, perhaps, be advised to remain within her obvious, manifest limitations.
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 16:24
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One day, Boris will actually tell the truth. In this case, despite having an expensive education, and being able to churn out Latin phrases, which proves nothing, sadly English was evidently not on the curriculum hence his interpretation of the word...pragmatic.

The Dutch version of events however is one that is wholly believable

Johnson’s claim Dutch PM offered to mediate in Brexit row not true, say sources | Brexit | The Guardian
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Old 21st Sep 2021, 09:28
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I'm still waiting for Boris to explain why any negotiation is required, after telling us a year ago that he'd signed a wonderful deal that solved all our problems.
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Old 21st Sep 2021, 10:17
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More great news from these sh*tlit lowlands, courtesy of the Guardian;
It turns out the UK has ended up near the “back of the queue” after all. For five years now, since the referendum, Brexiters have been talking up the prospects of a free trade deal with the US, which, according to the enthusiasts, was going to offer huge benefits to the UK and was just around the corner. Shortly after becoming prime minister in 2019, Boris Johnson even said he would like to see it concluded within a year.

But now Johnson has admitted, in terms, that Barack Obama was right, and that a trade deal with the UK is not a priority for Washington. Asked when it was happening, Johnson told reporters travelling with him to the US: “I wouldn’t hold your breath.”

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Old 21st Sep 2021, 18:02
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Brexit can be summed up as "lies, lies and yet more lies".

It's a shame the liar in chief was so convincing; but perhaps the real blame falls upon a large chunk of the press that were so partisan they simply failed to the job a good journalists, that is to probe and question.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 08:10
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The US trade deal seems to have found the back burner. They have absolutely zero interest. Of course we can join the other one, the one Trump dreamt up to sell more US gas guzzlers.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 08:35
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
The US trade deal seems to have found the back burner. They have absolutely zero interest. Of course we can join the other one, the one Trump dreamt up to sell more US gas guzzlers.
Problem with NAFTA Mk.2 (and Mk.1 for that matter) is that it is another organisation that the UK would be coming to late, and would have to comply with rules made by the original members, and of course doing so crosses Brexiteers "red lines" about taking back control.

Or perhaps NAFTA is acceptable because it isn't European countries that we would be having to work with? The Daily Express is gushing with excitement about the idea of joining NAFTA so it must be a good idea (not!).
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 09:15
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
The US trade deal seems to have found the back burner. They have absolutely zero interest. Of course we can join the other one, the one Trump dreamt up to sell more US gas guzzlers.
Not according to the Excess.

Thankfully, this latest junket also involves Ms Truss whose expertise in securing trade "deals" means she can not only brief Boris first hand on the many benefits to be had...irrespective of the fact there aren't any, at least not for the UK. but also subsequently enthuse Excess readers in support of the rags headline.

Newspaper headlines: UK-US trade deal speculation and energy bill fears - BBC News
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 11:42
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In the Sun on 30 May 2016, the Tory “Out” campaigners promised: “Fuel bills will be lower for everyone”. This followed claims made by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove a month before the 2016 EU referendum that gas bills will be cheaper after Brexit. It was claimed leaving the EU would allow the UK to scrap a £2 billion annual tax on gas and electricity prices – and fund it out of £11 billion a year saved from Britain’s contributions to the European Commission.
My fuel bills have gone up steadily. Who got my money?
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 10:51
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In the Sun on 30 May 2016, the Tory “Out” campaigners promised
Thereby lies the answer !
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 10:52
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With the latest data showing the rates of growth in the UK economy slowing while at the same time prices continue rise, it’s clear that the UK is going through some very challenging times.

Economic output has dropped for four straight months while input, operational and retail prices continue to rise across the board.

From IHS Markit 23 Sept 2021
The latest PMI data compiled by IHS Markit and CIPS signalled a further loss of growth momentum in the UK private sector at the end of the third quarter. Rates of expansion in both output and new orders were each the weakest in the respective seven-month sequences of growth. The rate of job creation remained elevated, however, driven by strong hiring at service providers. Meanwhile, inflationary pressures showed little sign of abating, with input costs up sharply again and charges raised to the greatest extent on record.
https://www.markiteconomics.com/Publ...9db76721130775

With this trajectory, the spectre of Stagflation, which blighted the UK in the 1970s, is a rising threat.

The important thing to remember, as with all things Brexit, is that no-one could have forseen this.

From The Times, 15th September 2021
In 2016, asset management firm Schroders said the UK leaving the EU means “uncertainty will remain high for some time. The UK is likely to experience a stagflationary period of lower growth but higher inflation.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/money-men...e/stagflation/

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Old 27th Sep 2021, 07:28
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Nobody saw covid coming. In the present situation all sensible peple and businesses are reining in their lifestyles and preserving their cash. Lack of growth is hardly surprising. It will not return in a hurry.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 13:43
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Correct, no one saw it coming. However once it had arrived, some even tried to ignore it and shook hands with everyone at a hospital and almost died.

Covid did hit all of us, but only the UK hit itself with Brexit, and this thread is about Brexit, not Covid.

I think economies are generally growing fast, if not booming more or less everywhere else in Europe.

Where I reside, the economy is close to crazy, and has been for months. There are some shortages, mostly for labour, but not of a crippling nature.

Should you be talking about the aviation business, I would agree about sitting on whatever cash you may have.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 16:13
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Most of the worlds major financial indices are now above their pre-pandemic levels.
Within Europe the German DAX is ahead by about 16%, the French CAC by 14% and even the Italian FTSEMIB by 7%.
The UK FTSE 100 OTOH is still 8% below.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 07:30
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Irrespective of the change in the political landscape in Germany, and also whether or not the potential Chancellor becomes appointed given reports he's not entirely well thought of by his own party, his comments as to the UK's " sunny uplands vista " and Boris's " getting Brexit done ! " (which misses out the bit about screwing the UK social fabric over by doing so) makes a very valid point.

See also the contribution from "Liberation" .

End to freedom of movement behind UK fuel crisis, says Merkel’s likely successor | Brexit | The Guardian
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 09:00
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In the light of your last post and numerous others on various threads, your claim on #11627 of this thread - "I am literate" - is becoming increasingly difficult to accept.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 09:23
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Is there anyone on here who voted for Brexit and is entirely happy with their choice?

What are the tangible benefits so far of Brexit?

Is there anyone who voted remain who are happy with Brexit now?


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Old 28th Sep 2021, 09:24
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In the light of your last post and numerous others on various threads, your claim on #11627 of this thread - "I am literate" - is becoming increasingly difficult to accept.

Oh frabjous joy !
One can only hope that :- a) the supposed illiteracy is of such enormity as to warrant another of your pointless interruptions.
and, b) that you will offer appropriate revision(s)
I'm still waiting for your action in respect of similar comments elsewhere.
Why does the phrase "all mouth and trousers" spring to mind !
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 09:40
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KnC, I think Angela's successor is just trying to get airtime and of course the Guardian is all over it like a rash.

Europe in general is suffering from HGV driver shortages as is very well known:

The EU is grappling with a driver shortage of its own. The problem existed in both the U.K. and the EU even before the pandemic — in 2019 some 24 percent of trucker positions were unfilled in the U.K., while 22 percent were unfilled in Poland, according to the International Road Transport Organisation (IRU). In the Czech Republic, 21 percent were unfilled; in Spain, 20 percent.
The British problem is that idiots hear a whisper of "shortages" and then immediately run out to fill the car up regardless of their real need for fuel.
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