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Old 13th Aug 2019, 11:13
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Not that much of the media will point ti out but Boris has for
1 Outright lies
2 Deceiving people-viz his wife and newspaper editors he falsified stories for
3 Deceiving himself- has not the faintest idea where the money for all these things will come from-not the Rich or American corporations thats for sure
4 Being easily influenced through his vanity and laziness -all well documented
5 Not understanding the consequences of his actions might take more than a week to emerge

Also any PM who threatens the sovereignty of parliament should be instantly removed from office and face charges of treason. A s we have no head of state as such we have only parliament between us dictatorship and that looks like where we will be heading if parliament is removed form the equation. How about the PM just deciding he will stay in power for ten years or maybe twenty . 1930s Germany 20teens England far far too may similarities


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BBC just did an interview with Simon Wolfson, CEO of Next where he effectively said NoDeal wouldn't be too bad. Of course by introducing him as head of Next they thereby failed to mention that he is styled Baron Wolfson, a Tory peer who opposed paying the living wage and who, with a net worth of £112 million said that workers could easily manage on £6.70 an hour.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 12:10
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
BBC just did an interview with Simon Wolfson, CEO of Next where he effectively said NoDeal wouldn't be too bad. Of course by introducing him as head of Next they thereby failed to mention that he is styled Baron Wolfson, a Tory peer who opposed paying the living wage and who, with a net worth of £112 million said that workers could easily manage on £6.70 an hour.
Is that why his brick and mortar sales through stores dropped by 8% last year and likely more this year.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 14:27
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Not that much of the media will point ti out but Boris has for
1 Outright lies
2 Deceiving people-viz his wife and newspaper editors he falsified stories for
3 Deceiving himself- has not the faintest idea where the money for all these things will come from-not the Rich or American corporations thats for sure
4 Being easily influenced through his vanity and laziness -all well documented
5 Not understanding the consequences of his actions might take more than a week to emerge

Also any PM who threatens the sovereignty of parliament should be instantly removed from office and face charges of treason. A s we have no head of state as such we have only parliament between us dictatorship and that looks like where we will be heading if parliament is removed form the equation. How about the PM just deciding he will stay in power for ten years or maybe twenty . 1930s Germany 20teens England far far too may similarities

PB I sincerely hopes he gets away with everything then this thread will no longer have to put up with the utter tripe you and all the other remoaners Regurgitate.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 05:14
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This seems to put it more inperspective?

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Old 14th Aug 2019, 05:42
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And you got Teresa May instead.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 05:59
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...high-9j0p6dcll

EU workers in Britain at record high

A record number of EU citizens are working in Britain despite predictions that many would be deterred by Brexit. In the past year the number rose by almost 88,000, driven by a big increase in people coming from eastern Europe.........

Jonathan Portes, economics professor at King’s College London, said: “Although migration from the EU has fallen since the referendum, there is still no sign of a mass exodus of EU citizens from the UK. Meanwhile, the UK labour market continues to perform well despite the stagnant economy.”

Two years ago a study by the consultancy company Deloitte found that more than a third of foreign workers were considering leaving Britain within five years, including nearly half of highly skilled Europeans. However, the Office for National Statistics figures published yesterday showed that the number of EU-born workers rose to a record 2.38 million between April and June.

There was also a rise in the number of people born elsewhere in the world, from 3.24 million to 3.34 million. The employment rate for those born in the EU was 83.1 per cent and for those from elsewhere 69.3 per cent. Workers from Romania and Bulgaria had the highest employment rate, at 86.2 per cent. The employment rate for those born in Britain was 76.3 per cent.

Mark Hilton, of the pro-business campaign group London First, said: “Employment has increased in all cohorts: UK workers, EU workers and non-EU workers. This reflects a strong labour market: with unemployment at 3.9 per cent there aren’t enough UK workers with the right skills to do the jobs.” He added: “While there are still more EU workers coming than leaving, the flow is slowing.”

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Old 14th Aug 2019, 06:26
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Originally Posted by MOSTAFA View Post
PB I sincerely hopes he gets away with everything then this thread will no longer have to put up with the utter tripe you and all the other remoaners Regurgitate.
One of the things KnC mentioned was:

"Also any PM who threatens the sovereignty of parliament should be instantly removed from office and face charges of treason. A s we have no head of state as such we have only parliament between us dictatorship and that looks like where we will be heading if parliament is removed form the equation. How about the PM just deciding he will stay in power for ten years or maybe twenty ."

Can I ask, simply for the sake of knowing where this place's Overton window is now located: are you seriously hoping Johnson could get away with that sort of behaviour?
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 07:08
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
One of the things KnC mentioned was:

"Also any PM who threatens the sovereignty of parliament should be instantly removed from office and face charges of treason. A s we have no head of state as such we have only parliament between us dictatorship and that looks like where we will be heading if parliament is removed form the equation. How about the PM just deciding he will stay in power for ten years or maybe twenty ."

Can I ask, simply for the sake of knowing where this place's Overton window is now located: are you seriously hoping Johnson could get away with that sort of behaviour?
Sorry, not one of mine in this respect.......pax b #981 refers;

That said, the suggestion was dismissed as "tripe " yet no condemnation of the tripe uttered by Amber in her "split arse turn " change of heart après the arrival of Boris.....there again, with Grayling now, thankfully, removed from being the holder of the most incompetent Minister in the history of Parliament title ( Amber has never been far behind) so it's probably, for her, a wise move to show her unflinching allegiance to Boris because he may come in useful in her retaining her position .
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
One of the things KnC mentioned was:

"Also any PM who threatens the sovereignty of parliament should be instantly removed from office and face charges of treason. A s we have no head of state as such we have only parliament between us dictatorship and that looks like where we will be heading if parliament is removed form the equation. How about the PM just deciding he will stay in power for ten years or maybe twenty ."

Can I ask, simply for the sake of knowing where this place's Overton window is now located: are you seriously hoping Johnson could get away with that sort of behaviour?

YES - Seriously because I believe in democracy not the crap reported by a left wing remoanining media. So bring it on.
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Lets get this correct ..you "believe in democracy"?

Are you comfortable with the possibility of Mr Johnson proroguing parliament.;i.e. effectively removing Parliament from the debate - As reported in MSM of all shades, not just left wing?
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He says he isn’t going to do it, nobody apart from the media is suggesting it’s going to happen. A far, far higher probability is a forced general election and a dissolution - not something which is in the gift of the PM.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 07:43
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Lets get this correct ..you "believe in democracy"?

Are you comfortable with the possibility of Mr Johnson proroguing parliament.;i.e. effectively removing Parliament from the debate - As reported in MSM of all shades, not just left wing?
A possibility, hardly likely
Are you comfortable with the actuality of Parliament overturning the will of 17 million voters by changing the rules and wrecking the process at every oppertunity because they didnt like what the voters told them?
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 08:35
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Lets get this correct ..you "believe in democracy"?

Are you comfortable with the possibility of Mr Johnson proroguing parliament.;i.e. effectively removing Parliament from the debate - As reported in MSM of all shades, not just left wing?

What part o fYES don’t you understand? And before you regurgitate more and more examples of what you understand as Democracy let’s got back to the beginning - the then PM, decided to have a gamble to try and move his drinks cabinet closer to the EU. He made it very clear what that gamble involved, no ambiguity. The democratic will of the UK was to leave, no if’s no buts, no left wing slants. The democratic will of the UK was to leave - along came another clown who decided that; well, I’ve got a better idea let’s try to push through a deal that means we can appease the democratic will of the referendum and leave but never really leave, I think it’s referred to as BRINO. Until somebody comes along and gets us out of this madness, people like you will continue to bump your gums about anything you can to cloud the issue of the referendum, so the sooner Boris drags us out the better and the majority from the referendum will be happy, me included.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 09:25
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Talking about lies, past and present.....

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Old 14th Aug 2019, 10:34
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Originally Posted by MOSTAFA View Post



. The democratic will of the UK was to leave, no if’s no buts, no left wing slants. The democratic will of the UK was to leave - along came another clown who decided that; well, I’ve got a better idea let’s try to push through a deal that means we can appease the democratic will of the referendum and leave but never really leave, I think it’s referred to as BRINO. Until somebody comes along and gets us out of this madness, people like you will continue to bump your gums about anything you can to cloud the issue of the referendum, so the sooner Boris drags us out the better and the majority from the referendum will be happy, me included.
That's interesting to learn, given your fervour for democracy, notably that this doesn't include any left wing involvement, but, as long as you are satisfied, that's all that matters and sod the national interest thereafter.

Unfortunately, inconvenient though this may be for you, democracy does involve political symbiosis and serendipity ( at times ) in contrast to your preferred totalitarian autocracy .

As you mention drag, and Boris, that's quite a good comparison really when you relate this to the theory of flight.....because as we know, once the transition point is reached, turbulence always follows. Other forms of drag comparisons available on request.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 11:51
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This seems to put it more inperspective?

Brexit - A Good Speech
Don’t be fooled by apparent reasonableness and pseudo solidarity. The AfD is an extremist party which is

anti-immigrant
specifically anti muslim
anti EU
Anti climate change acceptance
anti-abortion
anti citizens’ and workers’ rights

in other words, reactionary on pretty much any major issue on which they can garner popular support, with the exception of the latter issue, which most would-be AfD supporters are blissfully unaware.
Alternative for Deutschland? They are nutters who who would deconstruct the Sozial Markt which has made Germany strong. They need to be kept well away from any sphere of influence. Fortunately, they are demographically challenged as they are firing blanks at pretty much all future voters, ie. the young.



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It seems so long ago now that its hard to remember the referendum-a democratic vote of course but an unelected PM with no majority apparently is also democracy as is denying proper briefings to our head of state.

Still leaving things like that aside can any leavers explain why they want to leave beyond
1 Dislike of foreigners but not sure quite why.
2 Take back control, which we already had for the most part, certainly everything major, and are now surrendering that to the USA so we become not the 51st state but Puerto Rico II
3. We will get better trade terms-clearly we wont as we are no desperate and easy to take advantage of especially by our potential largest trading partner the AMERICA FIRST USA. And a condition that if we make the big tech companies pay a proper rate of tax there will be no trade deal
4 project fear Which turned out to be mostly true or coming true with a very weak pound and thus higher prices for everything , A minuscule amount of money to be added tot he NHS, about 5-6 weeks worth of the sum trumpeted at the type, destruction of the UK care industry almost all of which is foreign owned .
5 Assurances that getting a new and better deal with the EU would be the easiest negotiation in the world.
6 We have pissed off China big time so no favourable trade deal there, not that there ever was one,
7 We dont actually pay anything like the sums claimed as we get all kinds of rebates, reinvestment s and support for Export prompting activities
8 Farmers will lose their CAP subsidies and get crushed by US ag products with a huge cost advantage and help from testerone, growth hormones GM extensive drug treatments and some of the lowest food standards in the western world

There are many more but I cant actually remember why we wanted to leave other than bigotry , cowardice, ineptness, desire to retain wealth and privilege, desire to remain the worlds largest tax evasion and money laundering centre (the City plus the 'overseas territories) and a fear that a Eu which will always have a fairly moderate government because of consensus among 20 plus countries might make ultra right neo cons uncomfortable that they might lose control of the media and self serving tax policies.

And where the Eu parliament does impact us isnt a French schoolteacher, A German engineer, a Spanish health Service Director more likely to be in tune with what the average person in Uk would like compared to Rich Old Etonians or former City Banker
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