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Old 10th Aug 2019, 19:13
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Krystal

Very clever , and amusing too, sadly all too fitting, I thought the CVR Captains mike might have contained a series of indistinct mumbles that could not be clearly deciphered although they appeared to be something like ' well er uff er waffle piffle simple -er no 'shortly before the aircraft hit the ground .

A few more thoughts on the Monarchs position which I 'wondered' about in an earleir post .

What would the army do if Johnson in Churchill early years mode ordered them onto the streets -would they obey him as their allegiance is to the crown not the PM ,

If the Queen is our head of state wouldnt a conspiracy to keep her in ignorance of what is plotted and what is actually happening constitute at the least misconduct in public office and at the worst high treason after all the monarch is subservient to parliament not to a pm with either no majority in the absolute sense or in the practical
sense.

And going back to humour it would be a delicious irony if the Queen stepped down or was no longer Monarch that her successor King Charles III could have the PM consigned to the Tower at the behest of parliament
It appears that the bed wetters and frenzied remain supporters are ď peaking too early ď try and keep your powder dry until closer to the 31st October.

Phase 2 is approaching. I.e we leave the EU on the 31st October. Save your ammunition for phase 3
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 19:25
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K n C might care to find a copy of the only actual crrash CVR I have ever listened to. It was the Evergreen 47 which crashed on approach to KL. The crew ignored constant GPW "Pull Ups" and the final utterance was from the FE ... "Oh, shit!"
It might even benefit some other contributors
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:00
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post


It appears that the bed wetters and frenzied remain supporters are ď peaking too early ď try and keep your powder dry until closer to the 31st October.
With due respect, I'm not in the least a remain supporter. Nor a leaver. I'm not even British in any way.
Just using your language because I'm not sure you could use mine ;-)

I'm just a friend of your country, and a bit concerned about some decisions that are gonna destroy your car industry and agriculture, and ruin fishermen and many "small people" in your country.

So instead of calling us names, if you were able to provide some well informed insight into what preparations have been made, and what actions will be taken in the next few months, it would be most reassuring.

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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:08
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
K n C might care to find a copy of the only actual crrash CVR I have ever listened to. It was the Evergreen 47 which crashed on approach to KL. The crew ignored constant GPW "Pull Ups" and the final utterance was from the FE ... "Oh, shit!"
It might even benefit some other contributors
Generally poor taste to refer to CVR,s here when a fatal accident is involved, itís not really politics after all, just a cheap shot . Iím sure you know better and if you donít .. well I canít help you.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:18
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I'm just a friend of your country, and a bit concerned about some decisions that are gonna destroy your car industry and agriculture, and ruin fishermen and many "small people" in your country

We donít have small people, just people who want to make a decent living ( well mostly ) the fisherman will be better off and the auto industry was rather small anyway ,except for F1 development and v high end motors in partnership with our German colleagues

We we all have to wait and see including the rest of
the EU, lots of stresses and strains are appearing.
I would like to reiterate that Marseille is still more exciting than Bolton, if that helps !
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:19
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Fly Aiprt, You are quite entitled to your opinions. However, when you do bang on a bit as a 'know it all', don't be too surprised if your 'concern' is not viewed as such. I think that our 'chaos' is actually somewhat more manageable than yours. (My opinion, but I'm not going to spend post after post after post telling you how to put your shambles right!)
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:40
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Hyperbole is loosed upon the world....

The Second Coming

W. B. Yeats

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:50
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post
We donít have small people, just people who want to make a decent living ( well mostly ) the fisherman will be better off and the auto industry was rather small anyway ,except for F1 development and v high end motors in partnership with our German colleagues
How will fishermen be better off ?

Majority of catch landed in Uk waters is exported to EU. How will that work after brexit ? Try and look at who is crewing the current UK boats ? Is it thousands of brits that are clambering to go to sea or migrants working on the boats.

Overwhelming majority of ex UK fishermen were happy to grab the money the EU offered to exit the industry, they will not be rushing back in. So where are all these new boats and fishermen to come from.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:50
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Really? it has come to this?

The child being held guilty for the sins of the parent?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...got-eu-subsidy
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:53
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post
the fisherman will be better off


This is where the fishing community may feel things are not that straightforward.
Most of the catch in UK is sold to the EU, mostly fresh.

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Old 10th Aug 2019, 21:02
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Fly Aiprt, You are quite entitled to your opinions. However, when you do bang on a bit as a 'know it all', don't be too surprised if your 'concern' is not viewed as such.
Then again this may appear as another ad hominem, and that tells volumes about it's author.

Maybe the more informed one tries to be, and the less the tendency to see others as 'know it alls'.
Who knows^^?


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Old 10th Aug 2019, 21:06
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Just a remark... Why in the article are "set-aside" subsidies refered to as "farmers being paid for not doing anything"??? Set asides are a way to regulate production but most importantly, farmers are paid to "manage" these surfaces in order to protect, help and promote wild life and many farmers I know go to a lot of trouble and work hard on these set-asides... keeping them free of chemicals and even planting species to help wild life, birds, bees, buterflies etc... Another BJ style EU bashing and confusing people. Why should not they be helped financially?
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 21:08
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What was that about ad hominems?

Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Remoaners:
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 21:17
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As far as the fishermen are concerned, we have 12 fishery protection vessels to protect a sea area four times the land area of the United Kingdom.
So much for taking back control of our fishing.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 21:35
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Really? it has come to this?

The child being held guilty for the sins of the parent?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...got-eu-subsidy
Which part of part owner do you not understand ?

Part owner means he is in line for a financial benefit from it, unless that is it was assigned to him / plus another party by his parents as a way of avoiding IHT.

If he had no ownership then what his parents were getting would have has no bearing on it, in this case he has clear ownership.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 21:37
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
This is where the fishing community may feel things are not that straightforward.
Most of the catch in UK is sold to the EU, mostly fresh.
Frozen, as on ice since caught. Fresh fish to me is caught on a line with an hour or two and then cooked.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 21:55
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Frozen, as on ice since caught. Fresh fish to me is caught on a line with an hour or two and then cooked.
Anglers vs fishermen ;-)
Some advice from the fishing community :
https://play.acast.com/s/brexitunspu...0-91b887dccab2
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 22:56
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It's Saturday night..a bit of light relief, this from another place, The Mumsnet Brexitannian NewSpeak Dictionary :


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Dictionary July 2019

PANIC : taking gradual action, in July, for an event in November (see also: DELUDED, HYSTERICAL, PARANOID LUNATIC).

SMUG: having taken gradual action in July (see also: HYSTERICAL).

SHORTAGES: something that will definitely happen in July, when supply chains are not disrupted, due to PANIC (see above), but somehow will definitely not happen in November, when supply chains are disrupted.

CAUSATION: people who buy smoke alarms in July cause fires in November.

OBESITY CRISIS: an undesirable state of the nation, caused by European strawberries, and which will be cured by the SHORTAGES which aren’t going to happen, or alternatively by a PATRIOTIC (see below) government mandate for the thin people to eat slices off the fat people.

BLITZSPIRIT: something apparently very good and quintessentially British, a highly desirablestate of the nation, which will come about in November (but not in July) due to the SHORTAGES (see above) which are not going to happen in November (but are in July).

PATRIOTIC: proficiency at reciting hollow slogans and short empty phrases, disparagement of analytical thought.

ARMY: SMUG (see above) group who are UNPATRIOTICALLY PANICKING (see above).

BELITTLING: asking basic questions of someone with whom you are in conversation in order to identify whether you are both proceeding from the same level of comprehension of the relevant issues.

BETRAYAL: any version of Brexit that does not satisfy the specific personal vision of each of 17 million voters, and which furthermore tracks the aforementioned personal visions on their journey of radicalisation from what they were in 2016 to the present.

STOCKPILE: simultaneously
(1) a hoard of essentials literally taken from the mouths of proper ordinary people by posh elites who have pushed prices up and CAUSED (see above) SHORTAGES (see above),
(2) a hoard of luxurious irrelevant fripperies like caviar and au pairs, that only posh elites care about thus irrelevant to proper ordinary people,
(3) a vast load of stodgy unappetising inedibles, not proper food, that no proper ordinary people would want anyway, and which will end up being thrown away and wasted thus destroying the environment thanks to posh elites (See also: LETTUCE).
(4) at some convenient point in time, will always have been a PATRIOTIC and obviously sensible thing to do, for a particular list of items and by a particular list of individuals/companies (if not on the list, then definitions 1-3 continue to apply).

CRESS: Level of agricultural and food distribution expertise required to assure everybody not to STOCKPILE (see above).

CRYSTAL BALL:
(1) A Heisenberg quantum device permitting Leavers to accurately predict that “it” will be “FIIIIIINNNEE” after a “short term” of “some adjustment” but which, when asked for measurements of “fine/short/some” ceases to exist.
(2) A device that Remainers definitely don’t have, which is why they PANIC (see above) and CAUSE (see above) SHORTAGES (see above) without any evidence for their actions.

STARVATION: an often-fatal and previously undesirable condition. Due to BLITZSPIRIT (see above) anything less severe than this is no longer deemed worthy of discussion. (See also: MAD MAX, ARMAGEDDON, END OF THE UNIVERSE, TENT CITIES).

REVELLING: keeping, for unapproved reasons such as Brexit, a STOCKPILE (see above), however keeping a STOCKPILE (see above) for approved reasons such as “just because” is FIIIIIINNNEE especially if you use a euphemism like “Why, I always keep months of food in my shed, isn’t that normal?”. (See also: MASSIVE HYPOCRITE).

FLAT-EARTHERS:
(1) people who think that a No Deal crash-out Brexit might result in supply chain disruption
(2) NOT people who believe that a No Deal crash-out Brexit will produce no discernible effects on anything whatsoever, or even attract golden unicorns.

CONTROL, TAKING BACK:
(1) a PATRIOTIC (see above) act by means of once-in-a-lifetime pencilling an ‘X’ on a small piece of paper, by supinely accepting any ensuing events, and by emoting positively.
(2) an undesirably treasonous, unpatriotic undermining of national interest by means of STOCKPILING (see above) to secure supplies, or to pre-empt anticipated price-rises.

SUPERMARKET PROMOTION:
(1) ordinarily a regular and unremarkable marketing strategy encouraging seasonal purchasing or attracting shoppers of a frugal, thrifty nature - unless they are TAKING BACK CONTROL (see above) in which case see below (2).
(2) a treasonous, unpatriotic undermining of Brexitannia due to encouragement of PANIC (see above) buying of STOCKPILES (see above) causing SHORTAGES (see above).

PROPAGANDA:
(1) factual information given by EXPERTS, the government, anybody tainted by possible foreign sympathies, or in fact anybody with knowledge gleaned from sources other than the gutter press.
(2) a bona fide male goose

WTO: a meaningless mantra, its significance long forgotten in the ancient mists of deep time, which is recited to invoke positive Brexitannian emotions.

DEAL (Syn: May's Deal, Boris's Deal, Corbyn's Deal, any deal):
(1) (Before 31st October) Unacceptable loss of sovereignty and BETRAYAL (see above) of Brexit
(2) (After 1st November) Inevitable, PATRIOTIC (see above), secures food and medicine imports that were never at risk.

REMAINERS:
(1) Non-existent, insignificant, effectively 0% of the population who should be silenced and have no effect on anything at all.
(2) A powerful elite fifth column of traitorous saboteurs in vast numbers, who can kill Brexit fairies by sheer power of thought (See also: EXPERTS) and who are to blame for undesirable bad things happening that aren’t/weren’t happening but also are happening and are desirable despite being bad (See also: PROJECT FEAR).

PROJECT FEAR: any suboptimal outcome/consequence of Brexit that has been predicted by EXPERTS (See also: PROPAGANDA), which will definitely not happen ever (See also: FAKE NEWS, FIIIIIINNNEE), but if/when it does happen, will in fact (a) have been knowingly voted for by Leavers (See also: BLITZSPIRIT), and (b) would have happened inevitably anyway not due to Brexit, and (c) will therefore render (a) and (b) contradictory.

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Old 11th Aug 2019, 00:22
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We're to get a Brexit commemorative 50p coin it seems, it will possibly make a toss up interesting, heads your in, tails your possibly still in.... I wonder what it will be worth post October.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49308970
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 01:57
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How will fishermen be better off ?

Majority of catch landed in Uk waters is exported to EU. How will that work after brexit ? Try and look at who is crewing the current UK boats ? Is it thousands of brits that are clambering to go to sea or migrants working on the boats.

Overwhelming majority of ex UK fishermen were happy to grab the money the EU offered to exit the industry, they will not be rushing back in. So where are all these new boats and fishermen to come from.
Thatís not what fishing communities and industry experts are saying. The CFP has damaged the UK,s fishing industry badly, quite apart from EU boats taking 60 pc of their catch from UK waters and seriously depleting fish stocks.

Taking back control is vital for the survival of stock and Scottish fisherman vehemently object to wee Jimmy Crankies plan to keep Scotland in the common fisheries policy in her desperate attempt to kiss arse in Europe and derail any Brexit agreement.
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