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VP is to be commended for his dedicated research into the minutiae of population statistics, in order to bolster a somewhat specious attempted rebuttal. Perhaps it goes with the territory?
Elsewhere, we have LTNman (seemingly seriously !) posting the following "The big difference between the U.K. government and the EU is that I can vote out the U.K. government."
What possible hope is there when somebody can make such a statement - and believe it? Does he really not understand the nature of the British electoral system?
As a potential voter in the UK, when the incumbent Government feel they have the best chance of continuing to hoodwink the populace, they will allow a General Election to take place, in which, (if you happen to live in one of the 150-ish marginal constituencies), your vote MAY, possibly, affect the ultimate result. The actual value of your individual input will be dependent, not on your specific wish, but on your post code, the integrity, political or otherwise of a body of unelected officials and their available statistics. Your ultimate representative, of whatever persuasion will represent, not your wishes , particularly, but the imposed wishes of a political grouping whose impetus may well be far removed from your own. Given the above caveats, "I can vote out the UK Government" seems, to me, to be a particularly 'removed from reality' assertion ... but it will, no doubt, make the politicians VERY happy !
Elsewhere, we have LTNman (seemingly seriously !) posting the following "The big difference between the U.K. government and the EU is that I can vote out the U.K. government."
What possible hope is there when somebody can make such a statement - and believe it? Does he really not understand the nature of the British electoral system?
As a potential voter in the UK, when the incumbent Government feel they have the best chance of continuing to hoodwink the populace, they will allow a General Election to take place, in which, (if you happen to live in one of the 150-ish marginal constituencies), your vote MAY, possibly, affect the ultimate result. The actual value of your individual input will be dependent, not on your specific wish, but on your post code, the integrity, political or otherwise of a body of unelected officials and their available statistics. Your ultimate representative, of whatever persuasion will represent, not your wishes , particularly, but the imposed wishes of a political grouping whose impetus may well be far removed from your own. Given the above caveats, "I can vote out the UK Government" seems, to me, to be a particularly 'removed from reality' assertion ... but it will, no doubt, make the politicians VERY happy !
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
You may wish to have a glance at EMA here where the cargo arrival has increased significantly recently.....this isn't decrying BHX btw.
New record for UK's busiest pure cargo airport - BBC News
New record for UK's busiest pure cargo airport - BBC News
Mr Harvey said: "The pandemic has nudged people into doing more of their shopping online and especially in the run-up to Christmas.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
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I was a bit confused by point one. The BBC say
But we are domestically funding many things in 2021 that would previously have been funded by the EU e.g. Agriculture. That must be taken account of in the OBR's £7.1bn - surely??
Also, the UK is still paying money to the EU as part of the divorce bill, covering things like spending that the EU committed to while the UK was a member, but has not yet funded - along with contributions to the pensions of EU staff. The Office for Budget Responsibility expects that the UK will be contributing about £7.1bn this year, down from last year's contribution of £8.2bn.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
I was a bit confused by point one. The BBC say
But we are domestically funding many things in 2021 that would previously have been funded by the EU e.g. Agriculture. That must be taken account of in the OBR's £7.1bn - surely??
But we are domestically funding many things in 2021 that would previously have been funded by the EU e.g. Agriculture. That must be taken account of in the OBR's £7.1bn - surely??
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Originally Posted by rogerg
Unfortunately he is still in charge for a few years yet !!!??
In other news, my sources are reporting noticeable price rises in local Aldi of circa 10%. This is not good news for the Tories either. I will confirm this information upon my return to the UK later this week.
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Originally Posted by Big_D
To be fair, he almost passed away last year (was it April?). They approval rates are falling though which could spell a disaster under the FPTP. And Party's men in grey suits can be very brutal to their leaders.
In other news, my sources are reporting noticeable price rises in local Aldi of circa 10%. This is not good news for the Tories either. I will confirm this information upon my return to the UK later this week.
In other news, my sources are reporting noticeable price rises in local Aldi of circa 10%. This is not good news for the Tories either. I will confirm this information upon my return to the UK later this week.
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Originally Posted by wowzz
As the shopper in our household, I use Aldi quite a lot, and certainly noticed no significant price changes at the end of last week, compared to before Christmas, although the obvious loss leaders on items such as vegetables were no longer available.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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The Border Operating Model
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...perating-model
A guide to how the border with the European Union will work after the transition period - Updated 5th January.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...perating-model
A guide to how the border with the European Union will work after the transition period - Updated 5th January.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
The Border Operating Model
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...perating-model
A guide to how the border with the European Union will work after the transition period - Updated 5th January.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...perating-model
A guide to how the border with the European Union will work after the transition period - Updated 5th January.
Having read through the first two (simple mechanical goods export and import from / to UK) case studies, I have to ask in all seriousness, how your hallowed leader Johnson, and his cohorts can possible sit in front of a TV camera and tell such a bare faced lie as there being no barriers to trade with EU member states after 1.1.21.
When you look at the list of processes that have to be gone through, documents (electronic or otherwise) and checks that have to be completed, aside of the basic requirement of INCOTERMS that apply in all export / import contracts every other one is an effective barrier to free trade.
I appreciate that that is what you, as Brexiteers, wanted and voted for. if it wasn't then your leaders have done you a great disservice since they could, and should, have negotiated a much deeper arrangement that might have halved the number of bureaucratic hoops through which industry now has to jump. We know why they didn't, principally because they wanted rid of the European Court "meddling" in UK affairs, but at what price?
The net result of all these barriers is that many smaller exporters (and importers) will in all probability decide that the costs and inconvenience of exporting are too great and just walk away from the business; a far cry from the ridiculous claim made by Gove, and repeated by Johnson on "The Marr Show" that having these obstacles will somehow encourage traders who previously only sold to EU, to expand their exporting horizons to the rest of the globe. That will be seen over time to be complete and total tosh.
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Anecdotal I know but the shelves in two of our local supermarkets were looking somewhat depleted yesterday, esp fresh veg. Could be Covid related I guess...
Oh, and my son has just been told the watch he just ordered (to be dispatched from Germany) won't be with him for at least 4-6 weeks.
Oh, and my son has just been told the watch he just ordered (to be dispatched from Germany) won't be with him for at least 4-6 weeks.
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
Anecdotal I know but the shelves in two of our local supermarkets were looking somewhat depleted yesterday, esp fresh veg. Could be Covid related I guess...
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Having read through the first two (simple mechanical goods export and import from / to UK) case studies, I have to ask in all seriousness, how your hallowed leader Johnson, and his cohorts can possible sit in front of a TV camera and tell such a bare faced lie as there being no barriers to trade with EU member states after 1.1.21.
A barrier to trade would be something like requiring all UK goods to have a Union flag sticker, or to be imported via Zeebrugge or of course, the big one, to be subject to additional import charges.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Is this additional to the JLR 'just in time' freight which has been busy for weeks (months?). And weren't the 330 freighters last month - not the last 72 hours?
. SAS A.330 arrived at BHX to operate a series of freight charters 
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
Anecdotal I know but the shelves in two of our local supermarkets were looking somewhat depleted yesterday, esp fresh veg. Could be Covid related I guess...
Oh, and my son has just been told the watch he just ordered (to be dispatched from Germany) won't be with him for at least 4-6 weeks.
Oh, and my son has just been told the watch he just ordered (to be dispatched from Germany) won't be with him for at least 4-6 weeks.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
I think it's a question of terminology. They would probably argue that completing Customs documents is just part of the process of international trade - it would be like saying having to provide an invoice is a barrier to trade, where it is generally regarded as just part of business.
A barrier to trade would be something like requiring all UK goods to have a Union flag sticker, or to be imported via Zeebrugge or of course, the big one, to be subject to additional import charges.
A barrier to trade would be something like requiring all UK goods to have a Union flag sticker, or to be imported via Zeebrugge or of course, the big one, to be subject to additional import charges.
