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Old 4th Jan 2021, 10:05
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VP is to be commended for his dedicated research into the minutiae of population statistics, in order to bolster a somewhat specious attempted rebuttal. Perhaps it goes with the territory?
Elsewhere, we have LTNman (seemingly seriously !) posting the following "The big difference between the U.K. government and the EU is that I can vote out the U.K. government."
What possible hope is there when somebody can make such a statement - and believe it? Does he really not understand the nature of the British electoral system?
As a potential voter in the UK, when the incumbent Government feel they have the best chance of continuing to hoodwink the populace, they will allow a General Election to take place, in which, (if you happen to live in one of the 150-ish marginal constituencies), your vote MAY, possibly, affect the ultimate result. The actual value of your individual input will be dependent, not on your specific wish, but on your post code, the integrity, political or otherwise of a body of unelected officials and their available statistics. Your ultimate representative, of whatever persuasion will represent, not your wishes , particularly, but the imposed wishes of a political grouping whose impetus may well be far removed from your own. Given the above caveats, "I can vote out the UK Government" seems, to me, to be a particularly 'removed from reality' assertion ... but it will, no doubt, make the politicians VERY happy !
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Old 4th Jan 2021, 14:58
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BBC - Brexit: Boris Johnson's claims about its benefits fact-checked

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Old 4th Jan 2021, 15:02
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
You may wish to have a glance at EMA here where the cargo arrival has increased significantly recently.....this isn't decrying BHX btw.

New record for UK's busiest pure cargo airport - BBC News
Mr Harvey said: "The pandemic has nudged people into doing more of their shopping online and especially in the run-up to Christmas.
No mention of Brexit?? Could just as easily be argued that the increase is down to us reclaiming our place as a Global player!
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Old 4th Jan 2021, 16:57
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De Pfeffel failed on 4.5 points out of 5. Anything de Pfeffel says can be safely ignored.
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Old 4th Jan 2021, 17:09
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I was a bit confused by point one. The BBC say

Also, the UK is still paying money to the EU as part of the divorce bill, covering things like spending that the EU committed to while the UK was a member, but has not yet funded - along with contributions to the pensions of EU staff. The Office for Budget Responsibility expects that the UK will be contributing about 7.1bn this year, down from last year's contribution of 8.2bn.
But we are domestically funding many things in 2021 that would previously have been funded by the EU e.g. Agriculture. That must be taken account of in the OBR's 7.1bn - surely??
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Old 4th Jan 2021, 17:22
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Anything de Pfeffel says can be safely ignored
Unfortunately he is still in charge for a few years yet !!!??
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Old 4th Jan 2021, 17:24
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
I was a bit confused by point one. The BBC say



But we are domestically funding many things in 2021 that would previously have been funded by the EU e.g. Agriculture. That must be taken account of in the OBR's 7.1bn - surely??
If you refer to the net EU membership fee of circa 7bn, then most of it will be spent on various new red tape. But Brexit apparently was never about the money.
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Old 4th Jan 2021, 17:29
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Unfortunately he is still in charge for a few years yet !!!??
To be fair, he almost passed away last year (was it April?). They approval rates are falling though which could spell a disaster under the FPTP. And Party's men in grey suits can be very brutal to their leaders.

In other news, my sources are reporting noticeable price rises in local Aldi of circa 10%. This is not good news for the Tories either. I will confirm this information upon my return to the UK later this week.
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Old 4th Jan 2021, 21:44
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Originally Posted by Big_D View Post
To be fair, he almost passed away last year (was it April?). They approval rates are falling though which could spell a disaster under the FPTP. And Party's men in grey suits can be very brutal to their leaders.

In other news, my sources are reporting noticeable price rises in local Aldi of circa 10%. This is not good news for the Tories either. I will confirm this information upon my return to the UK later this week.
As the shopper in our household, I use Aldi quite a lot, and certainly noticed no significant price changes at the end of last week, compared to before Christmas, although the obvious loss leaders on items such as vegetables were no longer available.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 07:40
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As the shopper in our household, I use Aldi quite a lot, and certainly noticed no significant price changes at the end of last week, compared to before Christmas, although the obvious loss leaders on items such as vegetables were no longer available.
As I mentioned on the original post, I will be able to verify the prices in a few days. But given all the new barriers and other red tape, someone in the chain will ultimately need to pay for it.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 07:45
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The way supermarkets normally work, it'll be the suppliers.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 10:44
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
The way supermarkets normally work, it'll be the suppliers.
Unlikely this time though. They can absorb a little of those costs, but not 10-12%.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 10:47
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The Border Operating Model

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A guide to how the border with the European Union will work after the transition period - Updated 5th January.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 11:12
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The Border Operating Model

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A guide to how the border with the European Union will work after the transition period - Updated 5th January.
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Having read through the first two (simple mechanical goods export and import from / to UK) case studies, I have to ask in all seriousness, how your hallowed leader Johnson, and his cohorts can possible sit in front of a TV camera and tell such a bare faced lie as there being no barriers to trade with EU member states after 1.1.21.

When you look at the list of processes that have to be gone through, documents (electronic or otherwise) and checks that have to be completed, aside of the basic requirement of INCOTERMS that apply in all export / import contracts every other one is an effective barrier to free trade.

I appreciate that that is what you, as Brexiteers, wanted and voted for. if it wasn't then your leaders have done you a great disservice since they could, and should, have negotiated a much deeper arrangement that might have halved the number of bureaucratic hoops through which industry now has to jump. We know why they didn't, principally because they wanted rid of the European Court "meddling" in UK affairs, but at what price?

The net result of all these barriers is that many smaller exporters (and importers) will in all probability decide that the costs and inconvenience of exporting are too great and just walk away from the business; a far cry from the ridiculous claim made by Gove, and repeated by Johnson on "The Marr Show" that having these obstacles will somehow encourage traders who previously only sold to EU, to expand their exporting horizons to the rest of the globe. That will be seen over time to be complete and total tosh.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 11:24
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Anecdotal I know but the shelves in two of our local supermarkets were looking somewhat depleted yesterday, esp fresh veg. Could be Covid related I guess...

Oh, and my son has just been told the watch he just ordered (to be dispatched from Germany) won't be with him for at least 4-6 weeks.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 11:27
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Anecdotal I know but the shelves in two of our local supermarkets were looking somewhat depleted yesterday, esp fresh veg. Could be Covid related I guess...
If the depleted shelves were missing broccoli, bagged salads, capsicums and the like then yes, if it were sprouts and carrots, perhaps no.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 11:58
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Having read through the first two (simple mechanical goods export and import from / to UK) case studies, I have to ask in all seriousness, how your hallowed leader Johnson, and his cohorts can possible sit in front of a TV camera and tell such a bare faced lie as there being no barriers to trade with EU member states after 1.1.21.
I think it's a question of terminology. They would probably argue that completing Customs documents is just part of the process of international trade - it would be like saying having to provide an invoice is a barrier to trade, where it is generally regarded as just part of business.

A barrier to trade would be something like requiring all UK goods to have a Union flag sticker, or to be imported via Zeebrugge or of course, the big one, to be subject to additional import charges.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 12:07
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Is this additional to the JLR 'just in time' freight which has been busy for weeks (months?). And weren't the 330 freighters last month - not the last 72 hours?
OK - you might have been right . SAS A.330 arrived at BHX to operate a series of freight charters
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 12:28
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Anecdotal I know but the shelves in two of our local supermarkets were looking somewhat depleted yesterday, esp fresh veg. Could be Covid related I guess...

Oh, and my son has just been told the watch he just ordered (to be dispatched from Germany) won't be with him for at least 4-6 weeks.
Just back from our local Tesco, and 100% availability of all fruit and veg, regardless of country of origin.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 12:42
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
I think it's a question of terminology. They would probably argue that completing Customs documents is just part of the process of international trade - it would be like saying having to provide an invoice is a barrier to trade, where it is generally regarded as just part of business.

A barrier to trade would be something like requiring all UK goods to have a Union flag sticker, or to be imported via Zeebrugge or of course, the big one, to be subject to additional import charges.
Yes, semantics to some extent, but there were previously no, zero, nada barriers to good moving between UK and EU until the debacle (for business at least) that is Brexit. The costs, not just in absolute pounds and pence terms, but also in management and staff time put trading with the EU on the same basis as trading with any other country on the planet, which, whilst it could be construed to be equable is hardly a good situation when for the last 25 or so years nearly 50% of out trade has been done frictionless. Large businesses will cope, whilst their bottom line will be hit, many SMEs are likely to look at the cost and hassle factors, and many will simply pull down the shutters, cut their losses and cease looking for business in Europe.
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