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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 13:16
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If there was to be no disruption to EU/UK freight movements why would there be, as of now, 5 new daily freight operations, 2 on wide body equipment starting to BHX from various points on the near continent. BHX will surely not be the only UK airport to see new dedicated freight services.
If companies want to offer such services and companies want to use them as a contingency in case of disruptions, that seems a sensible precaution.

It doesn't mean the change in procedures will cause major disruption, or if it does how long it will take to sort them out. But insurance is always a wise move.

https://www.aircargonews.net/airline...eadline-nears/

Two twice daily flights by a 146 would, I presume, be the equivalent f around 4 lorries or so each way? Dover currently handles around 10,000 lorries a day.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 13:28
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
If companies want to offer such services and companies want to use them as a contingency in case of disruptions, that seems a sensible precaution.

It doesn't mean the change in procedures will cause major disruption, or if it does how long it will take to sort them out. But insurance is always a wise move.

https://www.aircargonews.net/airline...eadline-nears/

Two twice daily flights by a 146 would, I presume, be the equivalent f around 4 lorries or so each way? Dover currently handles around 10,000 lorries a day.

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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 13:36
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
While, admittedly, I'm no Marcus de Sautoy, my arithmetic is, I feel, rather better than your ability (or willingness) to read what is before you (a talent which, I would have thought, in your supposed career, would have been deemed invaluable) If you can manage to concentrate for long enough, my statement referred to the population of the UK.
I am only too well aware of the penchant for some to manipulate figures for their own ends - I am equally aware of the hypocrisy displayed when such means are deployed against them.
It would be nice, occasionally, to discuss these matters using facts, logic and a modicum of common sense - alas, the opportunity for that disappeared at the turn of the century!
It seems a complete nonsense to include babies and children of non-voting age into the total number eligible to vote, but as you insist, even if one does take the nonsensical view of including babies etc the number that voted to leave still doesn't get down to 25%. The UK population at the time of the referendum (source, the ONS) was ~65,892,000 (64.6M from 2014 data, plus two years growth at the ONS figure of 0.75%p.a.). That gives figures of 24.50% who voted to remain and 26.42% who voted to leave.

There are far better ways of making a cogent argument to defend a point of view than to deliberately seek to distort hard data but using nonsensical selection criteria, all that does is undermine any point, valid or otherwise, you may have.

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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 13:37
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Two twice daily flights by a 146 would, I presume, be the equivalent f around 4 lorries or so each way? Dover currently handles around 10,000 lorries a day.
I guess that would depend on what the cargo was.

I believe a 44 ton artic can carry 28 tones
And the max payload of a 146 (-300) is 11,781 kg

Or less than half the lorry so two flights daily = a bit less than 1 lorry IMHO



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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 14:02
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Originally Posted by WB627 View Post
I guess that would depend on what the cargo was.

I believe a 44 ton artic can carry 28 tones
And the max payload of a 146 (-300) is 11,781 kg

Or less than half the lorry so two flights daily = a bit less than 1 lorry IMHO
Plus 2 x A330, and it's only Sunday, and not yet 72 hours since the EU connection was finally broken.

All that freight would have arrived by road at a tiny percentage of the cost. Long term it is unsustainable, and business decisions will to be made and UB40s to follow.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 14:25
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Is this additional to the JLR 'just in time' freight which has been busy for weeks (months?). And weren't the 330 freighters last month - not the last 72 hours?
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 14:34
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
LTNman's chauvinistic passion would ring more truly were it accompanied by a recognition of the lack of proportional representation in the regime he favours. Presumably his thinking is that. being shafted by 'your own' political cliques is more acceptable. The principle, that change can only be brought about from inside the organisation, seems to have escaped him and his fellow disruptors.
It is worth, yet again, reminding ourselves, that this Brexit idiocy represents the wishes of a mere 25% of the population. One wonders how LTNman equates that with the 'unrepresentative' nature of the EU?
In that case using your own logic the remain vote was less than 25% of the population.

The big difference between the U.K. government and the EU is that I can vote out the U.K. government. I couldn’t vote out the EU officials who run the EU as they are not elected.

Unlike Ireland, France and the Netherlands we didn’t hold a second referendum or ignore the results when the vote went against the elites running the EU. The truth is that the remoaners have been conditioned by the EU that they don’t believe we can run our own affairs like most of the world does.


Now no cheating, who was your MEP, most people will have no idea as it wasn’t important as they did nothing and had no power. The remaining MEP’s serve no purpose as they head south once a month at great expense to keep France happy.

Talking of France they want French as the principal language of the EU now that the U.K. has left. It seems no one else is keen on the idea which has has upset France as they remain in the shadow of the U.K.

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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 14:41
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The big difference between the U.K. government and the EU is that I can vote out the U.K. government. I canít vote out the EU officials who run the EU as they are not elected.
Given the complete load of self serving Toers we have elected, I'm not sure unelected officials is not a better option

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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 14:46
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post

The big difference between the U.K. government and the EU is that I can vote out the U.K. government. I canít vote out the EU officials who run the EU as they are not elected.
The same old b*llocks - just repeating something again and again doesn't make it true. You might as well say " I can't vote out the Civil Servants who run the UK ". Anything the Commission does is subject to the ultimate approval of politicians.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 14:59
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
In that case using your own logic the remain vote was less than 25% of the population.

The big difference between the U.K. government and the EU is that I can vote out the U.K. government. I couldnít vote out the EU officials who run the EU as they are not elected.

Unlike Ireland, France and the Netherlands we didnít hold a second referendum or ignore the results when the vote went against the elites running the EU. The truth is that the remoaners have been conditioned by the EU that they donít believe we can run our own affairs like most of the world does.


Now no cheating, who was your MEP, most people will have no idea as it wasnít important as they did nothing and had no power. The remaining MEPís serve no purpose as they head south once a month at great expense to keep France happy.
I voted remain, and my (no brainer) decision wasnít made out of any belief that the U.K. Gvt. are incapable of running their own affairs.. It was born out of understanding why we joined in the first place, and the geopolitical situation has evolved even more since the 60ís/70ís to favour larger trading blocs/entities.

It has happened though, so I hope the best can be made of this less than ideal situation.

Interestingly, since you mention unelected officials, doesnít Whitehall have far more of them than Brussels? I donít recall seeing Dominic Cummings on the ballot paper..
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 14:59
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And we had a 1/28th say despite the U.K. being the second biggest contributor to EU funds. Despite the Brexit Party being the largest party among the MEP’s they were minnows when compared to the combined party of MEP’s looking to fill out their gravy train expenses each week and who could not create a single EU law. The U.K. voted to join the Common Market and nothing else. Now that the U.K. has had a proper democratic vote people here still don’t like it after 4 and a half years.

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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 15:05
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And we had a 1/28th say despite the U.K. being the second biggest contributor to EU funds. The U.K. voted to join the Common Market and nothing else.
As you would expect in a democracy... Or does your British exceptionalism mean you would have voted remain had the EU been based in London and not Brussels, or had a British vote in European Parliament been worth twice that of any other member state?

Any large trading block is a political entity, and any trade deal results in the relinquishing of some sovereignty. This point seems to have eluded many. Although sovereignty is nothing more than a sound bite in modern vocabulary.

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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 15:17
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Is this additional to the JLR 'just in time' freight which has been busy for weeks (months?). And weren't the 330 freighters last month - not the last 72 hours?
I suspect the answer to the first question is yes, but as I understand it the 'Ostrava shuttle' was as much to do with getting Brexit contingency stock in as the normal 'line stop' freight traffic.

I have no idea who the charterers are and what business is being carried, or indeed if the cargo is UK or EU originating, but if Brexit and potential delays at short sea ports aren't behind this splashing of logistics cash, I'll eat my metaphorical hat.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 15:29
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To be honest, the additional freight flights at BHX in the past month has been nothing exceptional in the normal ebb and flow of the freighters supporting local industries.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 16:35
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
To be honest, the additional freight flights at BHX in the past month has been nothing exceptional in the normal ebb and flow of the freighters supporting local industries.
You may wish to have a glance at EMA here where the cargo arrival has increased significantly recently.....this isn't decrying BHX btw.

New record for UK's busiest pure cargo airport - BBC News

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Old 4th Jan 2021, 08:20
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
If there was to be no disruption to EU/UK freight movements why would there be, as of now, 5 new daily freight operations, 2 on wide body equipment starting to BHX from various points on the near continent. BHX will surely not be the only UK airport to see new dedicated freight services
At my nearest airport there has indeed been a surge in freight movements, mostly B747's... they are bringing in almost exclusively covid related equipment (e.g. PPE) - they are nothing to do with Brexit.

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Old 4th Jan 2021, 08:25
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British ex-pats are apparently being barred from flights to Spain.
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Old 4th Jan 2021, 08:37
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British ex-pats are apparently being barred from flights to Spain.
Bureaucratic cock-up at BA.

There are, apparently, two residency cards, a pre-exit card and a post-exit photo card. Both the British and Spanish authorities insist both are valid - BA are/were refusing flight to those with the former.

https://english.elpais.com/brexit/20...-to-spain.html
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Old 4th Jan 2021, 08:41
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
British ex-pats are apparently being barred from flights to Spain.
How about a bit more meat on your sensationalistic headline?

Are these real 'expats' that have all the correct paperwork to state that they are resident in Spain? There are many Brits that stay there long term that have not registered themselves as such.

Are they expats that are going through the process of applying for residency but don't have their TIE yet? As of today this category are allowed in with a valid “resguardo de solicitud o renovaciůn de tarjeta de extranjero” document - maybe the authorities there have not got their act together yet and those on the front line are still getting use to this brand new rule.

Have these 'expats' not presented a valid negative covid test taken in the previous 72 hours?

There are lots of reasons why your 'headline' could be explained, so maybe give your source or at least pad your post out with a bit more detail...
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Old 4th Jan 2021, 08:46
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Bureaucratic cock-up at BA.

There are, apparently, two residency cards, a pre-exit card and a post-exit photo card. Both the British and Spanish authorities insist both are valid - BA are/were refusing flight to those with the former.

https://english.elpais.com/brexit/20...-to-spain.html
That sounds suspiciously like option '2' in my post above
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