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Old 7th Aug 2019, 06:39
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Well that kills just about the last great plan on how to stop Brexit......

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-will-not-join

Rebecca Long-Bailey says Labour will not join national unity government to block no-deal Brexit
Interesting piece there ORAC.....but you seemed to have missed a few other salient points about Boris.

However, here's Mr Gove now resolutely and conveniently allocating blame to those jolly inconsiderate EU denizens for not immediately prostrating themselves to pander to the UK.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tiate-new-deal

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Old 7th Aug 2019, 07:03
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
No one voted for this.
Actually, a lot of people voted for this. You did notice we had a referendum?

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....an anti democratic sleight of hand from the Johnson and his spin doctor Cummins.
How is it anti-democratic? We voted to leave. Boris Johnson was elected by his MPs and his party having promised to honour that vote. God forbid he might actually keep his word....that won't do at all. (And Cummings is NOT Johnson's spin doctor)

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Old 7th Aug 2019, 07:24
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Well that kills just about the last great plan on how to stop Brexit......

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-will-not-join

Rebecca Long-Bailey says Labour will not join national unity government to block no-deal Brexit

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...mingly-likely/

Why a no-deal Brexit is now overwhelmingly likely
You're right, although with various shadow cabinet members seemingly making up policy on the hoof (John McDonnel for example over a new indyref) you're never completely certain what is Labour policy and what is not.

That said, the best way to achieve stopping no deal, as I understand it, is a no confidence vote, following which parliament would have 14 days to put a new (national unity?) government in place. Long-Bailey, who never comes over in interviews as a particularly safe pair of hands, has apparently scuppered that. If we leave with a no deal, as a result of Labour playing politics, Remainers will likely view them rather harshly in the GE that is almost sure to follow; their home will be the LibDems, making coalition building, under a Johnson lead Tory party, or indeed a Corbyn lead Labour party somewhat difficult. I could see both leaders losing their jobs in fairly short order after a no deal Brexit.
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 07:25
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
Actually, a lot of people voted for this. You did notice we had a referendum?



How is it anti-democratic? We voted to leave. Boris Johnson was elected by his MPs and his party having promised to honour that vote. God forbid he might actually keep his word....that won't do at all. (And Cummings is NOT Johnson's spin doctor)
Apart from setting a precedent here.... as in Boris keeping his word,....... you are correct when you day God forbid that he does in this instance.

As for Mr Cummins, given he's presumably not being employed to make the tea, or look after the cat, how would you define his role if, as your state, he's not a spin doctor ?
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 07:32
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I would suggest he is more the COO than the head of the PR department.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_operating_officer
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 13:53
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
Actually, a lot of people voted for this. You did notice we had a referendum?...............How is it anti-democratic? We voted to leave. Boris Johnson was elected by his MPs and his party having promised to honour that vote.........
I am glad somebody has pointed this out. Lots of people blaming Boris and other “Brexiteers”, but the country voted for this.
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 15:23
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Not strictly Brexit, more a very close relative, but, only the British could effectively screw over visitors to the UK like this.

Thankfully, they will still be able to get as far as our (in)glorious capital........although for many this is the epicentre of the known world anyway.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49263781
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 15:43
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
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Boris Johnson was elected by his MPs and ...

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When was that?
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 15:51
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Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
When was that?
Last month.
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 16:22
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Ah yes - all over 55, white largely male, middle class living in S England.... just the basis for a new election. he's better call it ASAP before they all die
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 17:16
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How rude.Your almost talking about me and I don't intend to go anytime soon. Except I am the Midlands.
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 19:10
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post


the country voted for this.
There are 4 nations in the UK :
England and Wales voted leave.
Scotland and Northern Ireland voted remain.

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Old 7th Aug 2019, 19:18
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I am glad somebody has pointed this out. Lots of people blaming Boris and other “Brexiteers”, but the country voted for this.
As I understand it, we live in a democracy. That means we vote people in to take decisions on our behalf as a total populace, not just to allow the majority to have whatever they want. It's pretty obvious by now that parliament,most of the government and the senior civil service don't want us to leave.
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 20:10
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Fly Airpt said.....

"There are 4 nations in the UK :
England and Wales voted leave.
Scotland and Northern Ireland voted remain."

It`s a draw, then!
Leave wins the tie-breaker because there are more people in England and Wales
than in Scotland and N.Ireland.
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 20:14
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That's much to logical for most on this site!!
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 20:15
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Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
You're lying, that were the Tory-Members, not the MPs.
Thor, you are being mendacious.

The original post that you questioned stated 'by his MPs and party member's but chose to highlight only MPs.

The Tory Party Members elected BJ from the final two elected by the Tory MPs. To suggest the MPs 'selected ' rather than 'elected ' or 'by elimination ' is pedantry.

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Old 7th Aug 2019, 21:42
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Not my purview these days but I think GB may well be able to negotiate acceptable trade deals because you will not have the long tail of EU special interests holding you back.

For instance you could be importing New Zealand lamb without the tariffs propped up by French farmers and I am sure NZ must need something GB produces in return.

The EU can only negotiate huge complicated deals with numerous exceptions.. The idea that no one will do business with you after you leave the EU is ridiculous. Once the dust settles the EU themselves will want to deal as they have stuff they need to sell. Can you imagine the French wine producers giving up such a big local market (with a big tariff against them) to all the others who would want to jump in, Californians, Australians, Argentinians and lots more.

JMHO of course.
Lets not let things like FACTs get in the way of that.

UK exports more sheep products than it imports and it is to EU it does so, NZ are not using anything close to their quotas to EU and in all likelihood all that will happen is EU will buy from NZ and the 74,000 tonnes that UK currently exports will go nowhere with a likely increase in prices for French farmers.

EU lamb imports in the first half of 2018: New Zealand favouring Asia - AHDB Beef & Lamb

Will imports of lamb from New Zealand return to normal in 2019? - AHDB Beef & Lamb
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 05:13
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"Dear Dominic,

Just a quickie to say I thought the way you swaggered up to the podium with that self adulatory smirk on your face to tell the plebs and oiks about the fab trade deals with the USA you've been told by Donald to tell us about was brilliant stuff......either that or your facial expression was the after effect of too many gherkins and onions on a cheeseburger.

Anyway, we've been jolly busy while your away. No less than three of us had a days excursion to that place you were confused about. Here we are in our snazzy hi viz vests which we had to wear to stop us being clattered by passing trucks, and would you believe some really nasty people said this would be a real benefit to the UK if we had been !...not that there will be any passing trucks soon because they'll all be parked up all over Kent.....how's that for really smart thinking and planning eh !...Of course, you always get those who think just because they do the job they know better than politicians so I gave them a passing mention to placate them in another of my inspirational speeches to the nation in the interview at the end.

See you very soon and we can't wait to hear about those deals you've been told to accept in more detail .

Best wishes ( until I can stab you in the back at some point )

Michael "

https://www.channel4.com/news/were-n...say-uk-customs

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...t-dominic-raab

PS What do you think about Boris's latest wheeze .....this is going to be a sure fire vote winner and success and just because previous IT systems and Gov'ts have been a complete and expensive disaster doesn't mean this one will be.....until the development begins of course, by which time we won't be in office anyway and can duly blame Labour !

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...l-intelligence

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 08:12
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Thor, you are being mendacious.

The original post that you questioned stated 'by his MPs and party member's but chose to highlight only MPs.

The Tory Party Members elected BJ from the final two elected by the Tory MPs. To suggest the MPs 'selected ' rather than 'elected ' or 'by elimination ' is pedantry.

​​​​​​​Don't accuse me of lying.
I accuse you of lying because you know exactly what i mean. The fact that the prime minister is NOT ELECTED BY THE PARLIAMENT just by his party is way beyond my comprehension. I didn't realize (sic) this before Boris enthronement.

Sorry, but take this from somebody who (believe it or not) likes the UK and has many friends there for whom he cares: Your parliamentary system is way out of date and you should reform it.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 08:41
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The Prime Minister is not elected, the PM is selected by the Queen as the person most likely to enjoy the confidence of the House of Commons and, with the other appointed Crown Ministers, provide the executive representing “the Queen in Parliament”.

Which is is why they remain in office, and power, after a dissolution of Parliament for an election when nobody at all in the country is a member of parliament, just ordinary citizens.
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