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Old 28th Dec 2020, 07:33
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Interesting snippet I wasn't aware of. A win-win for NI students who will qualify for both Erasmus and Turing grants.

https://www.politico.eu/article/irel...rish-students/

The Irish government will fund Erasmus+ grants for Northern Irish students so they can continue to participate in Europe’s flagship student exchange program after the United Kingdom pulls out of the scheme.

Dublin agreed “to extend the benefits of Erasmus+ to students in Northern Ireland even after Brexit,” the country’s Minister for Higher Education Simon Harris told broadcaster RTÉ late on Saturday, adding that this was “a very practical example of us wanting to continue to collaborate with Northern Ireland post-Brexit.”

Harris said it was a “permanent commitment” that would last as long as students wanted to make use of it. “The cost is relatively low … But it’s not a cost, it’s an investment,” he said, adding the estimated cost would be around €2 million per year.
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 07:41
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I am sure it will be a best selling bodice-ripper.....

POLITICO - Memoir in the making:

Barnier told Figaro he wouldn’t give too many details about the negotiations because “I will tell about those four extraordinary years this spring in a book-diary.”.....
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 07:48
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https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/l...schools-scoop/

Brexit Twitter was awash with chin-stroking threads over the weekend to help make sense of the legalese.

Anton Spisak from the Tony Blair Institute set out the morass of committees* that will govern the U.K. relationship with the EU going forward.


Former diplomat Peter Rickets mulls the benefits and limitations on security arrangements and data sharing.



EU competition lawyer James Webber breaks down the all-important subsidies chapter.


And UK in a Changing Europe pro Matt Bevington explains fish.

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Old 28th Dec 2020, 08:45
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ORAC in full propaganda mode this morning.
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 09:27
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Under the agreement, pro-Tory linkys are now quota-exempt and tariff-free.

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Old 28th Dec 2020, 10:55
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I heard Gove trying make the argument that the new bureaucracy for EU trade will actually benefit exporters. His puerile logic went along the lines of that business will have to learn how to work with the new regulations and "non trade barriers" and having learnt to, will find it easier to export to the rest of the world because the rules are the same.

That is probably no less than I would have expected from a total twit like him, and probably most of the rest of the government's largely incompetent ministers. Markets outside Europe as totally different to Europe for many reasons, tariffs, quotas, delivery terms (DDP anyone), payment arrangements, bills of title. I could go on, but I won't.

This shower and their misrepresentations really make my blood boil!
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 11:25
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/l...schools-scoop/

Brexit Twitter was awash with chin-stroking threads over the weekend to help make sense of the legalese.

Anton Spisak from the Tony Blair Institute set out the morass of committees* that will govern the U.K. relationship with the EU going forward.
More jobs for the (Tory) boys

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Old 28th Dec 2020, 12:19
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Not entirely Brexit related, but equally synonymous with many in the UK,......or how to piss off others in Europe because we're British, so we can and will......you would have thought they may have noticed the prominent headlines recently and stayed in the UK.

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Old 28th Dec 2020, 12:55
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Lets not confuse politics with pleasure, money talks.

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Old 28th Dec 2020, 13:57
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-security-deal

The post-Brexit trade and security deal has been unanimously backed by EU member states, paving the way for the new arrangements to come into force on 1 January.

At a meeting of ambassadors in Brussels, the 27 member states gave their support for the 1,246-page treaty to be “provisionally applied” at the end of the year. The decision will be formally completed by written procedure at 3pm central European time (1400 GMT) on Tuesday......

The only obstacles standing in the way of the deal now coming into force are votes by MPs and peers in the House of Commons and the House of Lords.

The UK parliament has been recalled to sit on Wednesday 30 December to debate and vote on the legislation.

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Old 28th Dec 2020, 15:06
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money talks
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 08:02
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POLITICO on the progress of the Brexit Bill tomorrow....

What tomorrow looks like

MPs will sit from 9.30 a.m. and vote on a motion to allow debate on the bill over video link (not usually allowed for legislation).

Following the usual proceedings motion, the second reading and all further stages of the bill will be wrapped up in the Commons by 2.30 p.m. It will then move to the Lords, where peers will do the same.

MPs will have to wait around in the evening to vote on Lords amendments (if needed) and then to be notified of Royal Assent. Playbook was first to report almost two weeks ago that the entire bill process could be done in a single day, and now here we are.

Labour pressures continue

A whole host of Labour figures, including former Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell, former Culture Secretary Ben Bradshaw and former Shadow Business Secretary Clive Lewis, have gone public with their opposition over Keir Starmer’s decision to back the Brexit deal.

In a statement signed alongside senior activists, political figures and academics, the MPs said Labour must not “fall into the trap of rallying around this rotten deal.” Jessica Elgot has a write-up in the Guardian.

The argument from the Labour top brass is that the choice is binary between a thin deal or no deal — although those preparing to rebel reject that characterization.

The Noes

The DUP — which backed Brexit in 2016, remember? — will vote against the deal in the Commons on Wednesday in continued protest against the Northern Ireland Protocol.

“Our challenge going forward will be to press the government to get a better outcome in those areas where more work is needed,” DUP leader Arlene Foster said in a statement.

The party insists its vote against the deal does not mean it supports a no-deal Brexit. The SDLP and Alliance parties will not back the deal either.
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 08:11
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So if the Bill does not pass in the UK Parliament (probably just a hypothesis), what happens next?
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 08:20
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So if the Bill does not pass in the UK Parliament (probably just a hypothesis), what happens next?
Then you have no deal as of 1st Jan. This is the corner Johnson has backed everyone into through inaction (either deliberately or just by being lazy and incompetent).

Long as his rich backers get to avoid the EUs forthcoming tax evasion laws and can continue to launder vast amounts of Eastern European/Russain money, they don't care. They're well insulated from any disruption and in fact see it as an opportunity to make money.

This is where the whole Brexit idea came from. Stability makes very little money........disruption makes loads, for some.

All they needed to do was identify the 5% of voters needed under our FPTP system to swing the election (thank you Cambridge Analytica), and lie to them (£350m for the NHS, thousands of Turks coming over here, etc). The other 95% don't matter as their votes are either irrelevant or won't change whatever.
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 08:22
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Question is, would anyone have the balls to reject the deal, let people see what no deal looks like for 6 months or so, then start a campaign to rejoin?

Somehow I doubt it.
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 08:25
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Harold Wilson discovered the "swing voter" issue. He and his campaigned mainly in those areas.
Since then they have all done it.
Labour now fail as they do not have Scotland any more.
If they got Scotland back, they might form a Government again.
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 08:44
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It's always the small print that catches people out......Boris kindly omitted to mention these when promoting himself, along with the " deal ".....others, thankfully, are not so complacent.....

Committees, visas and climate change: Brexit experts' verdicts on the deal details | Brexit | The Guardian

However, the Excess can allay the nations fears with a couple of, probably arrived at by some form of picking numbers out of hat detailed analysis, whilst also managing to include another of the rags equally unrealistic favourites, the weather.

Newspaper headlines: 'Spring it on!' and 'don't betray our children' - BBC News
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 08:46
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
Harold Wilson discovered the "swing voter" issue. He and his campaigned mainly in those areas.
Since then they have all done it.
Labour now fail as they do not have Scotland any more.
If they got Scotland back, they might form a Government again.
Which I suspect goes a long way to explain the ambivalence of many Tories as far as retaining the Union is concerned. All they can see are Tory governments stretching long into the future - power is everything.
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 08:52
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The one thing that still amazes me about the whole thing, is people saying "we want sovereignty, we don't want to be ruled from Brussels", etc........

Have you seen who's running the UK right now? That's your preference? A bumbling incompetent who goes with the last person who spoke to him before making a decision far too late, u-turns on that decision almost every week, has never done a day's work in his life and is completely untrustworthy, backed by people whose only interest is accumulating wealth at your expense, even if some of you die? And this is better?



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Old 29th Dec 2020, 08:54
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Which I suspect goes a long way to explain the ambivalence of many Tories as far as retaining the Union is concerned. All they can see are Tory governments stretching long into the future - power is everything.
The only reason the Conservative Party hasn't let Scotland go already is because they own most of it and don't want to potentially end up paying more tax on that unearned wealth. It has no other use to them. (shooting grouse, maybe).
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