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Old 24th Dec 2020, 18:54
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I was going to reply to exriggers post but decided it was not worth it as none of us will know for some time yet, not even Sallyann!!
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 19:08
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Our lady Oracle who was concerned about Polish students working part-time in her local Pret is missing. Strange.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 19:19
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Not missing - but waiting.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 19:36
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Not missing - but waiting.
Were the £200bn lost due to Brexit worth it though? In part to get rid of Polish students working part-time in a coffee shop.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 20:07
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Originally Posted by waito View Post
Ok, congratulations both sides of the Channel to have avoided master chaos and short-term economic desaster. This was important!

I'm not enthuasiastic about the details at this point because I don't know much of them. Time will tell if it's a "fishy" deal for either or both sides.
How is it going to be anything but economic disaster short medium and long term. We are now an insignificant minnow treading the waters of sharks.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 20:11
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
Sort term currency fluctuations are quite normal. Just wait a bit.
Wait a bit for what? How can it possibly ever strengthen? Almost all brexiters I know agree that it is going to be hard times for years to come. The difference is they don’t care because “they got their country back”whereas I never saw us lose it.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 20:14
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
It was not only about money.

So what is it about then?

Think about it. If a countries economy is strong people have the capacity to think of other issues. If the economy is bust and people can’t make a living the economy (money) is the only issue that concerns them.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 20:48
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That just made my Christmas a little bit brighter, they have been annoying the **** out of me for years.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 20:54
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It was not only about money because people already on low incomes have little or nothing to lose, financially. There are a lot of people in that category.

They could not see any financial gains coming to them as a result of the shenanigans either.

So they had time to pay attention to other stuff, if they were interested at all.

Christmas greetings to all from RR.

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Old 24th Dec 2020, 21:00
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
The EU wanted a 14 year fishing transition period while the U.K. wanted 3 years. The compromise is now 5.5 years so I think there will be more unhappiness in French fishing ports who wanted no transition. If that is a reflection of the rest of the compromises I have no problems.

Also what is the deal about aviation actually mean?
And a lot of unhappiness north of the border. The Wee Crankie (Nicola) is fuming apparently, shouting betrayal on fishing promises broken, as loud as she can and cursing Boris for all she is worth.

As someone else said, IndyRef2, where do I vote to rid my country of that turbulent woman?

She should be very careful, she might get what she wishes for.



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Old 24th Dec 2020, 21:02
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Were the £200bn lost due to Brexit worth it though? In part to get rid of Polish students working part-time in a coffee shop.
If you review my comments I never mentioned immigration, being a child of immigrants myself.

My cooemnts reference Pret A Manger concerned the wails of the urban literati concerning the loss of staff - which undoubtedly lost the remain vote more than it gained,

HF40 - it was never about the money - and concentrating on how the well off would lose out also undoubtedly lost more votes than it gained.

I have half jocularly referred previously to the blasphemer sketch in The Life of Brian when the rabbi tells him to stop saying Joehovah as it will “only make it worse for himself” to which he replies “how?” Before changing repeatedly.

If you can’t understand the similar mood which made many vote for Brexit, you’ll always remain baffled as to why the Remain campaign lost.

As to the deal - as I’ve said, again repeatedly, I would have been happy with a EFTA type deal. I am convinced that path was closed because the EU were convinced by the persisting remain campaign after the referendum that thry could - as in so many other referenda - get the vote reversed. Which is why we have ended up with the hard deal we have.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 21:05
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Rejoiners would seem reasonable. As we see the impediments to fluid movement of components for the automotive industry lead to the loss of like likes of Toyota, Nissan and Mini, and the drift of financial services to Frankfurt and Dublin the clamour to re-engage with the EU among younger people will surely lead to a change of heart.

The deal has saved the UK from disaster in the short term, it doesn't change the fact that we were better off in than out.
Not sure. Whilst an avid remainer, and totally agreeing that there is not any kind of deal that comes anywhere near matching the benefits of being in, I see many huge advantages to this deal, a true no tariff no quota deal is an astonishing outcome. You mention the likes of Nissan, Toyota and Mini. This deal is precisely what they said they needed to stay. And as for the impediments to the flow of components, that will be no worse than the current arrangements for the import of automotive components from Japan, the USA, Canada and China. There will be no drift to Frankfurt and Dublin of financial services, they are a mere minnow compared to London and simply cannot provide the myriad access to fiiance that London can.

All in all I think this is as good as it gets without being IN.

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Old 24th Dec 2020, 21:14
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"We are now an insignificant minnow treading the waters of sharks."

Do yourself a favour and look up some economic facts and statistics before spouting such nonsense.

​​​​​​​As a fervent remainer and an advocate of the EU, I am truly astonished at this deal, and I listened to Ursula von der Leyen NOT Johnson. The combination of NO tariffs or quotas on our manufacturing industry and farming sector, combined with the ability to operate as a financial professional all across the 27 member states for lawyers, Barristers and Accountants, this securing the City Of London, is a truly astonishing achievement.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 21:22
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And a lot of unhappiness north of the border. The Wee Crankie (Nicola) is fuming apparently
Likely disappointed though that no deal didn't go through which would have turbo-charged independence. So near to Xmas though many of the jocks are on the ale (or stronger) and probably haven't noticed.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 21:23
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
highflyer40

"We are now an insignificant minnow treading the waters of sharks."

Do yourself a favour and look up some economic facts and statistics before spouting such nonsense.

As a fervent remainer and an advocate of the EU, I am truly astonished at this deal, and I listened to Ursula von der Leyen NOT Johnson. The combination of NO tariffs or quotas on our manufacturing industry and farming sector, combined with the ability to operate as a financial professional all across the 27 member states for lawyers, Barristers and Accountants, this securing the City Of London, is a truly astonishing achievement.
Shame about the rest.. Is that mutual exclusion of all the other professionals and are we going to find come January 1st, the NHS has lost all or nearly all of its staff Doctors, nurses, PAMS etc that are EU citizens?

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Old 24th Dec 2020, 21:30
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ppr00ne,

I really hope you are right.

Mrs ATN works in the logistics industry, and from what I hear, while the deal is about as good as could have been expected, it's still an enormous change from open borders, and I do know that the biggest issue the automotive manufacturers suffer is supply chain issues from outside the customs union.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 22:04
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Separate deal already in place for health professionals. I only mentioned the financial mob as it was always expected that this would be a deal for trade only, not services.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 22:06
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
ppr00ne,

I really hope you are right.

Mrs ATN works in the logistics industry, and from what I hear, while the deal is about as good as could have been expected, it's still an enormous change from open borders, and I do know that the biggest issue the automotive manufacturers suffer is supply chain issues from outside the customs union.
Oh me too!

It will certainly be different and difficult, but compared to NO deal and tariffs and quotas from 1st Jan on...
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 22:06
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
highflyer40

"We are now an insignificant minnow treading the waters of sharks."

Do yourself a favour and look up some economic facts and statistics before spouting such nonsense.

As a fervent remainer and an advocate of the EU, I am truly astonished at this deal, and I listened to Ursula von der Leyen NOT Johnson. The combination of NO tariffs or quotas on our manufacturing industry and farming sector, combined with the ability to operate as a financial professional all across the 27 member states for lawyers, Barristers and Accountants, this securing the City Of London, is a truly astonishing achievement.
We are not manufacturing, or farming nation. These mean relatively little.

These “facts and statistics” you mention are due to us being a part of a massive collective whole of the EU. By ourselves we are insignificant on the world stage. Made even smaller in the next few years when the number one money maker - the financial sector - exits the UK for calmer waters.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 23:20
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"There is no threat to the Erasmus scheme,” de Pfeffel told MPs. “UK students will continue to be able to enjoy the benefits of exchanges with our European friends and partners.” - UK PM, January 2020.
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