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Old 30th Jul 2019, 09:23
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Errr...excellent...brilliant - I'm really pleased for you.

My comment wasn't intended to address your post..it was made with regard to Alsascienne's question regarding what I suspect are "domestic" issues for many, such as to take one example healthcare post Brexit, where there are still significant unknown unknowns which have been absolutely impossible to comprehensively plan for, rather than issues involving business or Boy Scouts.
Wiggy, the referendum result (thatís the way we still do things that we consider this important) and I am not suggesting thatís right or wrong, but the real reason those people are in the mess they are in, is in the main is because Cameron really screwed it up, and quite rightly resigned because of it. Sadly his replacement, May just didnít believe in it and her 3 years of stubbornness trying to get BRIiNO through was always doomed to failure - most people recognised that and prepared. (Boy Scouts).

What has happened was always going to happen; again, I sympathise but thatís all. Now the vast majority of media, which incidentally never wanted to leave the EU anyway, are now trying to ramp up the process they lost by attacking Johnson at every move. If anybody is to blame itís Mays fault for kicking the can down the road and totally wasting the 3 years.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 09:47
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Alsacienne - In response to your question a couple of links that may or may not be of interest:

https://www.thelocal.fr/20190718/bre...ut-in-the-cold

https://www.thelocal.com/20190705/is...tons-in-europe
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 13:35
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I am puzzled by the Scottish Nationalist attitude to Brexit. They claim that Brexit will lead to a break up of the UK and therefore this must entail an independent Scotland. On the other hand if the UK were to remain within the EU then presumably Scotland would remain part of the "United" Kingdom. That means that the SNP should be campaigning vigorously in favour of Brexit, as hard and fast as possible, doesn't it?

Does Scotland really want independence? It certainly doesn't look like it from the way they are campaigning. It looks a lot more like trying to shoehorn additional regional payments out of Westminster. Good luck with that. You have a Scottish parliament to set and raise taxes for a Scottish budget. Live with it.

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Old 30th Jul 2019, 14:44
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What has bugged me ever since the referendum was why did Johnson bug out then and not take over as PM right after Cameron resigned. If I remember right he could have then but decided not to, after having fought for Brexit. Why did he not take his responsibility then and there? It would have been the time for those who proposed Brexit in the first place to take responsibility and make it happen. But they left it to someone who clearly was not up to the task or rather never wanted a Brexit anyway.

So now he is in control what could have been an orderly process has to be done in a rush. Not good leadership in my view.

As for economical consequences, well, most secessions have caused war in one way or the other. That the EU would not wage economical war on a post Brexit OK just pour encourager les autres has never been a question to me. How that is gonna happen is open, but it can be anything from trade blockade to more nasty stuff. The question in that case will be who will become new allies to the UK. It appears that the "cousins" across the big sea seem to be only waiting to strike a deal.

For those who said democracy died post referendum... well, direct democracy is not something which can be learnt and responsibly executed if only one vote per century is being held. Direct democracy requires regular voting on most important things and will result in an educated and well versed population to take their responsibility. I actually don't think the result would have been different but it would have been much more difficult to ignore or belittle. Direct democracy is very rare however but the few countries where it wors appear to be doing just fine.... maybe an incentive to go that way post brexit to demostrate what consent by the people really means.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 15:04
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AN2 Driver here's a reasonable summary of why Johnson left the race.

What a shame that the Conservative Party chose Mrs May instead......
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 15:34
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Thanks Wiggy. Very informative ... and apart from a meeting in early 2018 in Strasbourg, nothing else in Alsace at all. I'll start passing some info down the line from the UK Govt website. Very many thanks.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 16:27
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Originally Posted by kungfu panda View Post
Yep.....Get out with a really HARD brexit. Collapse the pound.That way my dollars earned in China......
2007....1GBP/2.07USD
2019....1GBP/1.22USD
2030....1GBP/0.60USD????

Great for expats who plan to retire in the UK....Keep up the self destruction
Nonsense the pounds still well up on my chart .. naturally I chose to start it in 1985...
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 00:10
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Mark Carney is predicting a 33% chance that the UK economy will be damaged by a no deal Brexit. Of course he is only the Governor of the Bank of England, so what does he know?

We should be trumpeting the news from the rooftops! There is a 67% chance that the UK economy will not be damaged in any way by a no deal Brexit, it will probably improve.

With those sort of odds, no deal Brexit is the obvious choice over the alternatives.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 10:59
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Is Mark Carney being paid in GBP? Outrageous if he negotiated his remuneration in USD before the appointment.

What exactly does the Governor do? Do that is apart from forecast gloom and doom. He has a committee to set interest rates.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 13:02
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
Mark Carney is predicting a 33% chance that the UK economy will be damaged by a no deal Brexit. Of course he is only the Governor of the Bank of England, so what does he know?

We should be trumpeting the news from the rooftops! There is a 67% chance that the UK economy will not be damaged in any way by a no deal Brexit, it will probably improve.

With those sort of odds, no deal Brexit is the obvious choice over the alternatives.
Mr Carney has been doing the Private Fraser impersonation for many years now. Who knows, one day he'll probably be right. Will that be because he's clever or because eventually, gambling being what it is, he had to be?
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 14:20
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Well his record of wrongness is statistically impressive. If he can make to the end of his vastly overpaid tenure by getting nothing right, then he truly will be unique
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 19:31
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His prediction was in fact a one in three chance of a recession with a deal. But of course as per usual the Brexiteers don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 20:17
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...arney-economy/

Slight change of tact from Carney?

I know it is the Sun, but surely the video is not fake/CGI.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 22:17
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Of course Britain will 'weather' Brexit. We're not about to submerge under the Atlantic. We survived two world wars.

The question is, what state will the country be in?
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 22:37
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(The question is, what state will the country be in?)

You could actually be the 51st state and that would really, stupendously and brilliantly upset the Berlaymot Balrogs that rule the Evil Empire.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 07:01
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
(The question is, what state will the country be in?)

You could actually be the 51st state and that would really, stupendously and brilliantly upset the Berlaymot Balrogs that rule the Evil Empire.
Logically wouldn't becoming the 51st state also really, stupendously and brilliantly upset the "take back control brigade"?



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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 08:02
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Especially if once done the leader then became Joe Biden.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 08:56
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Especially if once done the leader then became Joe Biden.
Or Boris Johnson.

Think about that.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 09:25
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Logically wouldn't becoming the 51st state also really, stupendously and brilliantly upset the "take back control brigade"?

Up to a point but in the USA, states have rights and those rights are both protected, even if were only by the gun lobby and respected by the elected in DC.
In the European Evil Empire, the unelected dictatorship partnership respects nothing and lusts only for more centralised power. It is a nasty parody of the United States.
So in the 51st state example, the take back control brigade would still have their self respect and their autonomy. They could form the backbone of an International Brigade, fighting to free the smaller European countries from the invasive armies that will have broken border sanctity to impose central control at some point in the future, the legacy of the present president of the EU, the militarist expansionist Ursula von der Leyen.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 09:29
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
In the European Evil Empire, the unelected dictatorship partnership respects nothing and lusts only for more centralised power.
It's one of the reasons I voted leave.

The sensible approach to me would be that the bigger an organisation grows the more power it devolves to a regional level. The EU is quite the opposite; authority is more and more centralised. Power only moves one way, and it's always towards Brussels.
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