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Old 27th Jun 2019, 16:43
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post


Please don't think I am just being picky. It is just that there are many journalists who are deliberately taking official figures and twisting them to present that BREXIT is destroying every type of business in the UK.

The official figures show a mixture of good and bad. But it also shows that despite the mess that has been the last 3 years, the UK is doing better than can be expected, and better than other EU countries. The figure of -13% FDI for Ger shows there are problems throughout the EU.

A Neil is very good at putting these journalists in their place when they deliberately twist facts. He will also do the same for those who twist facts in favour of BREXIT. So in essence he is neutral and you get the truth.
So lets look at Fords decision to cut 12,000 jobs across its European operations by the end of 2020, which you seem to have ignored, another consequence of BREXIT no doubt. The article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48787165 goes on to say The carmaker is trying to cut costs and restructure its European business, which is losing money. It plans to have closed five of its plants by the end of next year, including the Bridgend engine plant in Wales, and it is selling another. Ford, which employs 51,000 people in Europe, hopes to achieve most of the cuts through voluntary redundancy. The whole car sector is currently struggling to cope with weak or falling demand in major markets, and the huge investments required for the shift towards electric vehicles.


So maybe there is more going on than BREXIT and things are not altogether as rosy in euroland as you'd like to think

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Old 27th Jun 2019, 16:49
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golfbanajam,

That just highlights the issues that all of the automotive sector faces globally, and in the UK we have Brexit on top of that, forcing companies to halt or reverse investment decisions in the UK. So it will be a double wammy for the UK economy post the EU.

The Nip,

No, I don't think that you were being picky, you were right and my post was potentially misleading. The UK has indeed done terrifically well in terms of the economy and foreign inward investment in particular, but that was while we were in the EU, life outside will be a lot harsher, colder and indeed more gloomy!
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 17:13
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Originally Posted by golfbananajam View Post
So lets look at Fords decision to cut 12,000 jobs across its European operations by the end of 2020, which you seem to have ignored, another consequence of BREXIT no doubt. The article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48787165 goes on to say The carmaker is trying to cut costs and restructure its European business, which is losing money. It plans to have closed five of its plants by the end of next year, including the Bridgend engine plant in Wales, and it is selling another. Ford, which employs 51,000 people in Europe, hopes to achieve most of the cuts through voluntary redundancy. The whole car sector is currently struggling to cope with weak or falling demand in major markets, and the huge investments required for the shift towards electric vehicles.


So maybe there is more going on than BREXIT and things are not altogether as rosy in euroland as you'd like to think
What am I ignoring in regards to Ford? I haven't mentioned them. Are you sure this post is in reply to me?
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 15:24
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Discuss...

I couldn’t decide where this belonged, but I’ll just leave this here...

Is Putin right? Is liberalism really dead? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48798875

Interesting times.

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 15:46
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I couldn’t decide where this belonged, but I’ll just leave this here...

Is Putin right? Is liberalism really dead? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48798875

Interesting times.

BV
BV,

No surprise here I suppose that I think he is completely and totally wrong. He is as wrong now as Hitler was when he said something very similar in 1938. What he means, and he is by no means unusual in this as a non democratic autocratic opposition suppressing semi dictatorial leader of two decades, is that liberal democracy is a threat to HIM and to his aims, and that if it didn't exist outside the borders of Russia it would make his political life within the borders of Russia oh so much simpler.
I actually think that the very opposite of what he says does apply, the world is very slowly and gradually becoming more liberally democratic all of the time all over the world. I think that frightens and alarms him and he wishes very much that it wasn't so.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 15:03
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one for the remainers to consider

Japan’s NTT has launched NTT Ltd., a global technology services provider that combines the capabilities of 28 companies, including NTT Communications, Dimension Data and NTT Security

The new NTT company is headquartered in London, employs around 40,000 people across over 70 countries and regions and is worth $11 billion, NTT says.

Deliberate decision

"We are excited to confirm that our global headquarters for NTT Ltd will be in London and that our commitment to the UK remains extremely strong,” said President and CEO, NTT Corporation, Jun Sawada



full article
https://www.mobileeurope.co.uk/press...s-up-in-london


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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 15:47
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That's good news, and makes a very pleasant change from all the business streaming the other way.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 18:01
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49048431

That's going to be a bit inconvenient for those Remainers who think they've been cheated. Does bring the neutrality of the EC into question.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 18:54
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49048431

That's going to be a bit inconvenient for those Remainers who think they've been cheated. Does bring the neutrality of the EC into question.
The whole thing is reminiscent of Douglas Adams at his best, when commenting on bureaucracy, as the Earth is about to be demolished by the Vogon Constructor Fleet:

‘People of Earth, your attention please,’ a voice said, and it was wonderful. Wonderful perfect quadraphonic sound with distortion levels
so low as to make a brave man weep.‘This is Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz of the Galactic Hyperspace Planning Council,’ the voice continued. ‘As you will no doubt be aware, the plans for development of the outlying regions of the Galaxy require the building of a hyperspatial express route through your star system, and regrettably your planet is one of those scheduled for demolition. The process will take slightly less than two of your Earth minutes. Thank you.’

The PA died away.

Uncomprehending terror settled on the watching people of Earth. The terror moved slowly through the gathered crowds as if they were iron filings on a sheet of board and a magnet was moving beneath them. Panic sprouted again, desperate fleeing panic, but there was nowhere to flee to. Observing this, the Vogons turned on their PA again. It said:

‘There’s no point acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now.’
The sin committed by Darren Grimes was an error in ticking a box on a form...
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 06:48
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XS & XO

POLITICO: XS And XO

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/l...veheart-in-xs/

....As detailed in yesterday’s Sunday Times (and previewed in the Telegraph last month), the six-man “exit strategy committee” is a small group of senior Cabinet ministers who together will take the crucial decisions regarding Brexit policy over the next three months and beyond. The committee will meet twice-weekly on Mondays and Thursdays and be chaired by the prime minister, with Michael Gove deputizing in his absence today. Across Whitehall this all-powerful group will be known simply as XS........ the membership is restricted to Johnson, Gove, Chancellor Sajid Javid, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay and Attorney General Geoffrey Cox.

The other important new Cabinet committee to get your head around is Gove’s daily no-deal planning group, which will meet every weekday morning starting tomorrow. This will be known officially as the “daily operations committee,” or XO for short. In a Cabinet conference call yesterday Gove told colleagues these meetings will be a serious business. “He told Cabinet that there will be clear lines of accountability, that XO will agree actions, make decisions and solve problems — and all with specific deadlines,” a source said. XO “will kick important issues up to either the PM direct, or XS where necessary.” Among those on the committee will be the new chief secretary to the Treasury, Brexiteer Rishi Sunak, whose presence is designed to ensure full Treasury buy-in to this brave new world. The daily XO meeting will be held in the Cabinet Office briefing rooms which gave emergency COBRA meetings their name.......

Playbook can report Johnson’s de-facto chief of staff Dominic Cummings will attend all meetings of both the XO and XS committees — entrenching him further into the very heart of the new government’s decision-making process. Two other key special advisers from No. 10 will also attend — Johnson’s new EU sherpa David Frost (aka the new Olly Robbins) and Brexit policy adviser Oliver Lewis........
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 07:12
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In today's news, PSA chief Carlos Tavares warns that Vauxhall may, if Brexit makes production of the Astra model at Ellesmere Port unprofitable (there's a bit of aviation content for you; the factory is built on the old Hooton Aerodrome).
My brother is in the business of supplying and creating storage solutions and one of his regular clients is someone who sources various goods and services for the local health authority. About 4 weeks ago he contacted my brother to quote for some work to be carried out on a new hospital that is planned for building on that very site! He assured my brother that planning permits etc are already in place. So, it would appear that the fate of the Astra production has been determined some time ago and PSA are apparently using Brexit as an excuse.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49146645
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 07:39
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In today's news, PSA chief Carlos Tavares warns that Vauxhall may, if Brexit makes production of the Astra model at Ellesmere Port unprofitable (there's a bit of aviation content for you; the factory is built on the old Hooton Aerodrome).
My brother is in the business of supplying and creating storage solutions and one of his regular clients is someone who sources various goods and services for the local health authority. About 4 weeks ago he contacted my brother to quote for some work to be carried out on a new hospital that is planned for building on that very site! He assured my brother that planning permits etc are already in place. So, it would appear that the fate of the Astra production has been determined some time ago and PSA are apparently using Brexit as an excuse.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49146645
Wasn't Brexit decided three years ago?
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 07:49
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If Johnson and his cronies persist in hurtling towards the 31st October cliff, regardless of the consequences, I can see more and more MPs coming around to the nuclear option of looking to cancel Art.50 altogether, unless he (Johnson) changes his position and starts governing as a realist as opposed to an idealist.

I was fearful of a Corbyn government; I'm beginning to think that the ERG government we now have is a bigger long term danger for the UK.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 11:00
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Sallyann1234:
Wasn't Brexit decided three years ago?
Yes, but the terms were not settled and there was an expectation of a Deal. What Carlos Tavares is obviously referring to is the car industry nightmare of a no-deal.
Last April, when the UK was given an October 31 extension for leaving, the following was part of the European Council decision (para 12) :
This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spirit of the Withdrawal Agreement, and must not hamper its implementation. Such an extension cannot be used to start negotiations on the future relationship.
https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc...19-INIT/en/pdf
I assume the UK assented to the terms of this extension so is the strategy of the new Prime Minister not a breach of the extension agreement? I know these remarks will cause outrage, but I wonder sometimes if anyone negotiating with the UK can rely on it to abide by what is agreed. Talk of with-holding the £39 billion is another example of trustworthiness, I suppose.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 12:04
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Sallyann1234: Yes, but the terms were not settled and there was an expectation of a Deal. What Carlos Tavares is obviously referring to is the car industry nightmare of a no-deal.
Agreed, but we've been told ever since the referendum that 'Brexit means Brexit' regardless of any deal or not.
Any company with a responsibility to its shareholders will have been planning accordingly over those three years.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 12:05
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.......unless he (Johnson) changes his position and starts governing as a realist as opposed to an idealist.
Surely his position is one of realism? Given that at present we are leaving on the 31st October without a deal, that it's not realistic to keep kicking the can down the road by asking for extensions, and perhaps it's about time we started getting ready.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 12:16
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Surely his position is one of realism? Given that at present we are leaving on the 31st October without a deal, that it's not realistic to keep kicking the can down the road by asking for extensions, and perhaps it's about time we started getting ready.
Allied with the fact that the EU will not renegotiate the WA that parliament has refused 4 times to accept. The only thing left is to rescind A50. Political suicide for both major parties as the electorate ask WTF they've been doing for the last three years.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 13:10
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Surely his position is one of realism? Given that at present we are leaving on the 31st October without a deal, that it's not realistic to keep kicking the can down the road by asking for extensions, and perhaps it's about time we started getting ready.
Political realism, perhaps. After all it's "the will of the people" - or at least those that are still alive 3 years down the track.

Economically, practically; no. The last bunch of lemmings who put themselves out of work in such a gung-ho couldn't care less way were the coal miners, with very little assistance help from Margaret Thatcher. This time it's government playing fast and loose with people's jobs and livelihoods. Cards on the table, if any Brexiteer looses their job as a result of their vote then I for one aren't about to lose any sleep over them, but for many who didn't they are going to be at risk of sacrificed on the altar of Brexit through no fault of their own.

It won't happen, because Johnson and his cronies are (to use Thatcher's word) "frit", but if he they want to go down that avenue to least they could do is ask the permission of the public to do so, through referendum. He could decide this afternoon to knock any talks on the head, and announce a referendum of no deal exit versus remain, it could be held within 6 months, and on the morning of the result being announced he could take us straight out, as he plans to do on 31st October, or send his bag-mag with a letter to the President of The Commission withdrawing Art.50.

Where is the harm in that? Unless of course, they are sh1t scared of losing.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 13:24
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Given that everyone in the new cabinet has signed up to the Halloween date, no iffs no buts, I can't see anything changing now. Even a vote of no confidence and a GE might be too late.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 13:38
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Given that everyone in the new cabinet has signed up to the Halloween date, no iffs no buts, I can't see anything changing now. Even a vote of no confidence and a GE might be too late.
That's why I said at the start of the paragraph "It won't happen". Johnson and his ERG friends could easily make the decision, go to Brussels telling them that's their decision (terminate any further talks and go for a referendum), they get the necessary extension, almost certainly win the vote in the Commons and off we go. They just ain't about to do it because democracy ended on 24th June 2016.
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