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Old 30th Oct 2020, 18:21
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Mr Jack.

Here in the UK FPTP is an example of OMOV and it certainly appears to offend you far more than it offends me.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 19:26
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Originally Posted by keith williams View Post
Mr Jack.

Here in the UK FPTP is an example of OMOV and it certainly appears to offend you far more than it offends me.
OMOV is the cornerstone of democracy; but FPTP ensures that power is in the hands of what is a duopoly, and for most UK (and US) citizens their vote is largely pointless, since the incumbent party always wins, and would do so if they put a chimpanzee named Chi-Chi on the ballot paper ,and put it's picture on billboards across the constituency.

OMOV with PR ensures that your vote is reflected much more accurately in relation to the total votes cast across the nation. Citing having a constituency MP as a reason for maintaining FPTP is a red herring, first because in most PR systems that remains the case, and in the send because MPs vote along party lines by and large, and not depending upon the views of their constituents.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 11:50
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Here in the UK FPTP is an example of OMOV and it certainly appears to offend you far more than it offends me.
Possibly due to the results of that vote being taken over by 'the system' and modified to ensure that the voter's intent will, in most cases, be ignored. That it doesn't offend you, is a reflection of your view of 'democracy'. It appears that you have little regard for the relative importance of individual representation, but that is a personal choice, and offers the politicians much pasture on which to graze !

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Old 31st Oct 2020, 14:33
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OK Mr Jack.

If you want to hold me responsible for everything you hate about the UK Electoral System, I will carry the guilt as bravely as I can.

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Old 31st Oct 2020, 17:30
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If you want to hold me responsible for everything you hate about the UK Electoral System, I will carry the guilt as bravely as I can.
"Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice
Whatever else you may, or may not, be, responsibility doesn't feature. You, and the other enthusiasts for FPTP results, have totally abdicated any control or responsibility over the outcomes, by leaving it to the 'system' to modify your intentions ... or hadn't that so obvious thought occurred to you?
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 19:59
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Well done Mr Jack.

Another excellent exercise in virtue signalling! It must have made you feel very good about yourself.

Unfortunately you have once again resorted to incorrect assumptions. Thinking back to the elections in which I have voted, I selected the winning candidate in almost every case. So nobody has been modifying my intentions.

Looking at your profile you have made something like 1300 PPRuNe posts, I suspect that the vast majority have been complaints about politics, politicians, the government or the UK electoral system. You appear to think that your activities are somehow improving things. Could you perhapse tell us exactly what you have achieved apart from that warm smug glow each post gives you. As far as I can see they still employ FPTP in Cornwall, so you have not changed that.

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Old 1st Nov 2020, 09:26
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
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I can not say I agree with you re Branson and his airline or Rail service, having spent a little time at the Premium end of both while in and flying out of the UK. He sells a brand / vision rather than the nuts and bolts,and often is a minority share holder, and has in the past sailed very close to the wind.............
As this is the Brexit thread............There are not any signs of the "land of Milk and Honey" promised.
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To create a brand new, successful airline from one's own money by ringing up Boeing to buy/lease a single B747, and growing that into a respected international long haul airline with 32 aircraft and slots at London Heathrow; while beating off the gigantic BA who trashed others such as Laker.........is pretty damn impressive I would suggest?

Ditto the Pendolino services on our National Rail network. Of course, neither were perfect, but nothing ever is. The last time I flew BA, on the Glasgow - Heathrow shuttle, I was deeply shocked by how appalling the service and aircraft were.

On the second point, maybe not the way you characterise it, but Europe needs access to our huge sea resources and our airspace, so I am sure that a sensible deal can be negotiated to benefit both ourselves and Europe.

And of course, Covid has made things difficult.
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Old 1st Nov 2020, 10:17
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We appear to be straying into the (frequently adopted) realms of assumption rather than facts, so it's pointless to continue. However to put the record straight, I think there will be many more of my posts associated with aviation (it's an Aviation forum, remember?) but I'll leave it to you to do the counting!
Is "virtue signalling" some sort of modern 'buzz phrase' - I don't recognise it.
Your success in selecting and voting for the winning candidate must be most gratifying - others, unfortunately don't even have the option!
Posting in JB is a certain sure remedy for anyone foolish enough to feel that they can feel smug about anything - long may it be so!
To return to the assumption point, I haven't lived in Cornwall for over 60 years - assumptions can be really tricky as a basis.
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Old 1st Nov 2020, 10:19
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
To create a brand new, successful airline from one's own money by ringing up Boeing to buy/lease a single B747, and growing that into a respected international long haul airline with 32 aircraft and slots at London Heathrow; while beating off the gigantic BA who trashed others such as Laker.........is pretty damn impressive I would suggest?

Ditto the Pendolino services on our National Rail network. Of course, neither were perfect, but nothing ever is. The last time I flew BA, on the Glasgow - Heathrow shuttle, I was deeply shocked by how appalling the service and aircraft were.

On the second point, maybe not the way you characterise it, but Europe needs access to our huge sea resources and our airspace, so I am sure that a sensible deal can be negotiated to benefit both ourselves and Europe.

And of course, Covid has made things difficult.
Out of interest, why the fulsome praise for the bearded one ?.....oh, and did you ever experience Virgin Rail ?....good, in parts, I agree, but very adept at screwing the customer in particular with their interpretation of what constituted "off peak " times and fares.
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Old 1st Nov 2020, 10:37
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On the second point, maybe not the way you characterise it, but Europe needs access to our huge sea resources and our airspace, so I am sure that a sensible deal can be negotiated to benefit both ourselves and Europe.
Surely the EU needs access to our airspace, but do you really believe that even the Johnson regime isn't going to behave like North Korea or the Soviet Union and deny overfly rights to foreign countries. And as for fishing rights, if the UK really does want to sacrifice hundred of thousands of jobs on the back of the UK fishing industry then they are total fools, but if they did, there are plenty of fish in the sea for other nations, just perhaps not in quite such easy reach.

The words glasses and rose tinted come to mind, as well as a healthy does of British exceptionalism.
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Old 1st Nov 2020, 15:25
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Out of interest, why the fulsome praise for the bearded one ?
See what I mean?
Many folk used to say Mr Branson was "a bearded idiot" or "the grinning pullover", because of the way he looked, yet he is of course a very clever guy who has achieved great things. (I have no affiliation or loyalty to Mr Branson, having tried twice to get into Virgin Atlantic, and twice been rejected).

Many people like to call Mr Johnson an idiot or a clown, because of the way he looks, but I am sure he is neither.

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Old 1st Nov 2020, 15:27
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Many people like to call Mr Johnson an idiot or a clown, because of the way he looks, but I am sure he is neither.


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Old 1st Nov 2020, 15:47
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It's not the way he looks that demonstrates his idiocy. It's the way he acts.
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Old 1st Nov 2020, 16:36
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To return to the assumption point, I haven't lived in Cornwall for over 60 years - assumptions can be really tricky as a basis.
Were you deported?
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Old 1st Nov 2020, 17:00
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
Many people like to call Mr Johnson an idiot or a clown, because of the way he looks, but I am sure he is neither.
Just out of curiosity, why are you sure? Seen from where I sit, BoJo has frequently exhibited all the characteristics of an idiot, as well as those of a clown. His carefully arranged hair-do serves the same purpose as a red nose on a clown. On the other hand, he has provided no evidence whatsoever that he is neither an idiot nor a clown.

There was once a myth that beneath the buffoon exterior there lay a sharp, clever mind. This was encouraged by his habit of using Latin quotations, usually mistakenly. But we know better now, don't we. Beneath the clown exterior there lies an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post

Many people like to call Mr Johnson an idiot or a clown, because of the way he looks, but I am sure he is neither.
I don't call Mr Johnson an idiot or a clown because of how he looks.

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Old 1st Nov 2020, 17:05
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I don't call Mr Johnson an idiot or a clown because of how he looks.

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Quite. Is his appearance any worse than that of Michel Foot.

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Old 1st Nov 2020, 17:12
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
See what I mean?
Many folk used to say Mr Branson was "a bearded idiot" or "the grinning pullover", because of the way he looked, yet he is of course a very clever guy who has achieved great things. (I have no affiliation or loyalty to Mr Branson, having tried twice to get into Virgin Atlantic, and twice been rejected).

Many people like to call Mr Johnson an idiot or a clown, because of the way he looks, but I am sure he is neither.
There are similarities..both are charismatic in their own way, both are far from ( self ) publicity shy and neither came from shall we say an impoverished background.

Branson, as Mr Mac explained, has come very close to the wind before and not all his ventures have been a success. He uses the brand to sell whatever product or services he feels warrants a potentially high return, hardly unique here as a strategy, and certainly with the railway, had the sense to bring in outside rail professionals.

But never forget, he made his name, and the brand, in one of the most cut throat sectors there is..the music sector and you don't do that be being nice and sweet and gentle to everybody.

Boris ?...well in case you missed it, Boris has been castigated and exposed, prior to his recent exposures as the worst Foreign Sec and now, attempting the sequel as PM that is, by many, many people over the years. The only brand Boris is concerned about as everybody is aware is Brand Boris..
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Food for thought....

From the Guardian....

UK will not import chlorinated chicken from US, ministers say

Britain will also ‘not negotiate to remove ban’ on hormone-fed beef in post-Brexit trade deal
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 08:30
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Food for thought....

From the Guardian....

UK will not import chlorinated chicken from US, ministers say

Britain will also ‘not negotiate to remove ban’ on hormone-fed beef in post-Brexit trade deal
Did they mention the pork raised on ractopamine, banned in Europe and most of the world?
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