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Old 26th Oct 2020, 11:41
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Surely it would; the problem is our cossetted young people don't necessarily want to train for a job that involved manual work, and working in all weathers. They'd all rather go to university to become CSI investigators, journalists and lawyers.
Would you, given your time again? I've done more than my fair share of manual labour and office-based work throughout the years and I sure know which type of work I prefer (and which pays better).

On this topic where I live (Oxon) its becoming increasingly difficult to find tradesmen such as plumbers and electricians. Those which do make it through the 4(?) years of college are invariably snapped up by the big local building companies. Like it or loathe it, we are are going to need these people from somewhere.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 13:29
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Would you, given your time again? I've done more than my fair share of manual labour and office-based work throughout the years and I sure know which type of work I prefer (and which pays better).

On this topic where I live (Oxon) its becoming increasingly difficult to find tradesmen such as plumbers and electricians. Those which do make it through the 4(?) years of college are invariably snapped up by the big local building companies. Like it or loathe it, we are are going to need these people from somewhere.
Definitely not out of choice; I was a self confessed wimp at school!! That said, my parents would have pushed towards doing something, the whole idea of picking and choosing in the 1970s was a bit fanciful given the levels of unemployment during that period. And during my time in employment I have spent more hours outside in all weathers assisting in loading and unloading vehicles and picking and packing, neither of which I thought were part of the job I had signed up for, and, frankly I quite enjoyed it.

Apprenticeships these days are must more robust and rigorous than they were 20 - 30 years ago, and certainly it's no pushover getting a qualification in plumbing or anything related to gas or electricity, and I know, because one of my relatives is a qualified bricklayer, again young people are trained properly today.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 13:54
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I did 12 hour night shifts driving a fork truck. It was brilliant and I made eighty quid take home in 1974. I wouldn't however wanted to spend half a century doing it.
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 10:39
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Isn't it odd that the posters above complaining about the 'youth of today' are not using the example of their own offspring, who, by all accounts, are hard working individuals prepared to go and get a job no matter what.

It's always someone else's kids. Strange.
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 10:45
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Isn't it odd that the posters above complaining about the 'youth of today' are not using the example of their own offspring, who, by all accounts, are hard working individuals prepared to go and get a job no matter what.

It's always someone else's kids. Strange.
One is not normally prone to washing one's dirty linen in public, however I can assure you that a conversation in very much that vein was had with our daughter; and not that long ago. Said individual is now working hard, in all weathers - and enjoying it (and the money)!
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 11:01
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my bold

OK, so the training needs to be improved? Looking at the brickwork of Edwardian, Georgian, Victorian, and 30's, 40's, 50's houses, it is pretty damn good, so people obviously can be trained properly, it takes the will and a positive attitude from employers.

I don't see how it helps the country to bring in nurses, bricklayers, plumbers etc. from other countries - who need to live somewhere, and who send money home out of the UK economy, while our own "workforce" - who also have to live somewhere - are not contributing. Attitudes to work possibly need to change or be changed?

I would not allow my son to do nothing all day. (He has a job).
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As a long term expat worker, I always sent my money back to the UK from Singapore , Hong Kong, Oman, UAE, USA, Nigeria, why would you expect the aforementioned EU foreign bricklayers, nurses etc to be any different ? Some UK expats do go native and stay, or move to a country with a kinder climate than the UK, but many return to the UK in my experience. Our "own workforce" in the UK do not appear to want some of the jobs being done by these people and show little aptitude or will to try and do them. My cousin trained in Marine Biology in Liverpool and went onto to do post grad and ultimately found his niche as a quality joiner in the West Country working on listed buildings, a job he could have trained for from 16years old, he just followed the mantra of going to Uni. I am not complaining about the "youth of today" (We do not have any kids by the way so no Axe to grind) but I think their expectations are being grossly over egged, and I foresee some stark disappointments for many in the coming few years.
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 11:33
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Isn't it odd that the posters above complaining about the 'youth of today' are not using the example of their own offspring, who, by all accounts, are hard working individuals prepared to go and get a job no matter what.

It's always someone else's kids. Strange.
That's a PPRuNe 'thing', for sure.

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Old 27th Oct 2020, 13:59
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That's a PPRuNe 'thing', for sure.
Its a parent thing - even the Kray twins mum thought they were wonderful boys....
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 17:15
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Association of Freight Services saying that software won't now be ready for Jan 1. Chaos will now ensue, deal or not.
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 19:56
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I am puzzled about this, the number of people who are more concerned about putting the interests of the EU before those of the UK. Johnson appears to be intent on driving a good deal for us and yet everybody is falling over themselves to slag him off, it is quite unbelievable. There will be problems, these problems will be resolved and there will then be good opportunities for business's to thrive.
I suspect Johnson has far more support in the country than the MSM give him credit for.
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 21:08
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Originally Posted by Arthur Bellcrank View Post
I am puzzled about this, the number of people who are more concerned about putting the interests of the EU before those of the UK. Johnson appears to be intent on driving a good deal for us and yet everybody is falling over themselves to slag him off, it is quite unbelievable. There will be problems, these problems will be resolved and there will then be good opportunities for business's to thrive.
I suspect Johnson has far more support in the country than the MSM give him credit for.
Oh Arthur, that is pure comedy gold....
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Arthur Bellcrank View Post
I am puzzled about this, the number of people who are more concerned about putting the interests of the EU before those of the UK. Johnson appears to be intent on driving a good deal for us and yet everybody is falling over themselves to slag him off, it is quite unbelievable. There will be problems, these problems will be resolved and there will then be good opportunities for business's to thrive.
I suspect Johnson has far more support in the country than the MSM give him credit for.
Thank you for that precious post Arthur. I haven't had such a laugh for quite a while on the forum... You should have posted it in Friday Joke thread!!!! But I agree with you, Bojo "appears" to be "intent". It is the same tactic he uses in his Afterdinners lectures. The man err... boy, cannot be taken seriously, just refer to the latest "there will be no U turn" about school holidays meals for kids in a couple of days from now.
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 21:30
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I think Arthur may be right. It is the mode of the MSM these days to court controversy by slagging people, especially politicians off. (And I hold no brief for pollies.)

As far as kids with jobs go. I have six kids and they are all far, far further ahead now than I was at their age. Truthfully, though I have briefly had a couple of businesses, I haven't actually had a job since about 1968 so I wasn't much of an example!
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 22:10
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Originally Posted by Arthur Bellcrank View Post
I am puzzled about this, the number of people who are more concerned about putting the interests of the EU before those of the UK. Johnson appears to be intent on driving a good deal for us and yet everybody is falling over themselves to slag him off, it is quite unbelievable. There will be problems, these problems will be resolved and there will then be good opportunities for business's to thrive.
I suspect Johnson has far more support in the country than the MSM give him credit for.
Could you be more specific and expand on the opportunities for business and what are Pfeffel's intentions?
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Old 27th Oct 2020, 22:16
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https://informi.co.uk/blog/6-opportu...ss-post-brexit

I think that Johnson will get either the best deal possible, or will have prepared adequately for no deal. As I mentioned earlier, he was the only one that stood up and said that he would do it, compare that to Corbyn, May, the Lib Dems and Starmer.
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Old 28th Oct 2020, 00:13
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Your link is to a paper written back in January, and was highly optimistic even then. Now, it just sounds ridiculous.

Unfortunately "the best deal possible" is pathetic compared to what we had as a member of the EU. And we are clearly not ready for no deal, as the business organisations will tell you. Or have they been reading too much MSM too?
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Old 28th Oct 2020, 08:08
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Originally Posted by Arthur Bellcrank View Post
https://informi.co.uk/blog/6-opportu...ss-post-brexit

I think that Johnson will get either the best deal possible, or will have prepared adequately for no deal. As I mentioned earlier, he was the only one that stood up and said that he would do it, compare that to Corbyn, May, the Lib Dems and Starmer.
How can anyone look at de Pfeffel and see anything other than a conman who should be sitting in prison.
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Old 28th Oct 2020, 08:34
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Originally Posted by Arthur Bellcrank View Post
I am puzzled about this, the number of people who are more concerned about putting the interests of the EU before those of the UK. Johnson appears to be intent on driving a good deal for us and yet everybody is falling over themselves to slag him off, it is quite unbelievable. There will be problems, these problems will be resolved and there will then be good opportunities for business's to thrive.
I suspect Johnson has far more support in the country than the MSM give him credit for.
Arfur, as Terry would have said ( with acknowledgements to "Minder " here ) erm, would it be possible to let us know from whence cometh your analysis of Boris and why, strangely, a rather broad spectrum of MSM having been asking more than a few questions for some considerable time now .

Now, please do not misconstrue this, buuuut, you does reside in a rather remote and isolated part of the UK, after all, the M6 goes around, the trains only stop for the minimum time possible and the airport isn't what you would call operating at peak capacity, so news doth seemingly travel slowly. Far be if for me to suggest the pigeon delivering the news had a tech stop at Tebay services.......and ended up on the menu, or had a CFIT into Shap and / or the cement works here, it's just, that ,with two months to go, thus far , there's not been what you might call anything positive or even vaguely hopeful that has emerged.

Alternatively, has you been converted by ORAC whose missionary zeal for spreading the word, well quite a few words actually, is well documented on here ?

Anyway, now that you has come to the fore so to speak, we would welcome any future predictions for the UK's prosperity you may care to offer.....winter is coming and some levity is always welcome in the dark nights ( and days ) ahead. Be fearless in the face of adversity here Arfur !

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Old 28th Oct 2020, 08:42
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rather remote and isolated part of the UK
Rubbish! And you ask the Romans ... definitely a place to keep the Picts and the Scots out in former times!!! (Or so I was taught in History in my youth!)
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Old 28th Oct 2020, 08:57
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Originally Posted by Arthur Bellcrank View Post
I am puzzled about this, the number of people who are more concerned about putting the interests of the EU before those of the UK. Johnson appears to be intent on driving a good deal for us and yet everybody is falling over themselves to slag him off, it is quite unbelievable. There will be problems, these problems will be resolved and there will then be good opportunities for business's to thrive.
I suspect Johnson has far more support in the country than the MSM give him credit for.
The UK has done that for itself. The best interests of the UK have been sold down the river through a referendum in 2016, and the subsequent zealot policies that have been carried through by the likes of Johnson and his extremist cabinet and advisors. Had May been allowed to carry her policies through we could have the "least worst option" in place now, which whilst damaging economically would have been far less so than the likely outcome of the current regime.
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