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Old 30th Sep 2020, 17:23
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Thing is Keith they are a lot bigger than the UK - hurting any 5% of the EU industry is not good - but it'll affect 75% of the UK industry which is a disaster
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 17:47
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As I said earlier, if post 5947 is true the EU has elready decided to do this. Having us do nothing will not prevent them from doing so. The question is how do we respond. So the goose is much bigger than the gander. Does that me that the gander must just roll over an accept whatever is going to happen. That attitude is what lets playground bullies prosper.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 17:57
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Looks like "Rough Weather - Continent cut off" might need to be re-written.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:04
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Originally Posted by keith williams View Post
The question is how do we respond. .
Stop buying European made cars and drinking European wine for a start. We could make these ourselves and import from the Commonwealth. Tata and Mahindra vehicles look quite good.

Would that help?
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:07
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Could we import Kiwi Sauvignon Blanc in huge containers, bottle it, call it Kentish SV, export it to France, charge a lot for it, so over 50% of the added value is English? Kentish would, of course, apply for DoC status.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:16
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
Could we import Kiwi Sauvignon Blanc in huge containers, bottle it, call it Kentish SV, export it to France, charge a lot for it, so over 50% of the added value is English? Kentish would, of course, apply for DoC status.
I have seen containerised tanks of wine on freight trains so I guess so.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:29
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It appears that the motor industry is an area that they have decided to just let go. As the level of electric car sales is and will be increasing year on year then British produced electric cars will be uncompetitive outside the UK. Of course an Independent Scotland as part of the EU could reap substantial rewards. Nissan could just decamp eighty miles northwards.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:33
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Now why did I know that this would descend into the same old "Get over it"?
Seems to me that the "getting over" is needed by those who still cannot come to terms with having subscribed to the obvious lies and nonsense of "sunlit uplands' in a self-governing Paradise! Xenophobia and Chauvinism have long been the over-riding characteristics of the ENGLISH, as distinct from the British, and they won't let it go. Flanders and Swann may have intended satire but there's no lack of fervent 'be-leavers'!
If, at some time in the future, we manage to elect a Government of intelligence and vision (what hope!) the remains of a once great Nation may have something to offer the rest of the World. Until then, we offer almost daily examples of confusion, bluster, impractical short-lived interventions and the Leadership potential of some third-rate backwater ... but Mr Williams and those who share his views, will continue to glory in their 'victory'.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:39
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post

As a member of the EU we benefitted from its internal rules which allowed members favourable treatment on certain rules such as foreign components. It protected our manufacturers.

Outside the EU we are now a foreign country and just another competitor. Our cars will be treated like everyone else's. It's what we voted for, remember?

Sallyann, you have misquoted me. Please take the trouble to separate out individual remarks and not attribute a series of quotes from different people to me. My original post was sarcasm. I think you mistook me.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:46
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Originally Posted by keith williams View Post
As I said earlier, if post 5947 is true the EU has elready decided to do this.
You aren't getting this are you?
No decision was taken by the EU. Their existing rules about foreign content will automatically apply to our cars annd other manufactured products, as they do to other countries.

We asked for an exemption and it was refused. No cherry picking, remember?
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:49
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
Sallyann, you have misquoted me. Please take the trouble to separate out individual remarks and not attribute a series of quotes from different people to me. My original post was sarcasm. I think you mistook me.
I apologise, Torquetalk. As you noted I incorrectly included part of your text together with another poster's comments. Your own post was sarcasm, and well made. I have removed your text.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:51
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Originally Posted by under_exposed View Post
I have seen containerised tanks of wine on freight trains so I guess so.
Not for much longer.....

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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:52
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Originally Posted by WB627 View Post
Not for much longer.....

Is that the new hydrogen train I see peaking out there?


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Old 30th Sep 2020, 19:03
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There has never been any doubt if we want to trade with the EU we do it on their terms, they are not going to change the rules to suit us.
The Customer Is Always Right, why on earth would they give us advantages their own members don’t have.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 19:12
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CJ.

That was a nice speech, I am sure that you got a warm smug feeling from it. But you are mistaking me for someone else. I have never predicted any of those things and I have never claimed any kind of victory.

I have no problems with the EU applying their rules to our future trading relationship. I am simply arguing that we should apply exactly the same rules to them. I think that is commonly called a level playing field. The EU negotiators claim that that is what they want, but it sometimes looks like they do not know what it means. Or perhapse they just want the top end of that level field.

if I punch the playground bully in the nose he may or may not punch me again. But if I do not, he will certainly do so.

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Old 30th Sep 2020, 19:15
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Originally Posted by keith williams View Post
As I said earlier, if post 5947 is true the EU has elready decided to do this. Having us do nothing will not prevent them from doing so. The question is how do we respond. So the goose is much bigger than the gander. Does that me that the gander must just roll over an accept whatever is going to happen. That attitude is what lets playground bullies prosper.
Just to inject a dose of realism here, going back 30-odd years goods looking to have duty free access to the EU used to have to provide an origin certificate, or if they were ex EFTA had to have stamped by customs an EUR.1 certificate that declared that either the goods were manufactured by the exporter and / or manufactured in the country, or satisfied the relevant qualifying process to get duty free access to the EU.

Fact is little has changed, and when the UK leaves transition our goods will be subject to those same, or very similar origin conditions. If the UK government bothered to negotiate seriously and in the interests of UK industry and commerce it could, I am sure, come to some sort of preferential agreement such as the one Turkey enjoys, but no, the UK is going hell for leather to crash out of the trading block, for whatever dogmatic reason and this will, without any doubt whatsoever, result in job losses in sectors that were, up until now, doing quite well.

The UK could, and almost certainly will, impose similar origin rules on good being imported from the EU, and the result of that will be higher costs for the UK consumer for imported products. Talk about a double whammy, we're on for a triple whammy - lost jobs, higher prices and potentially shortages of products due to delays at the border. What's not to like - after all it's worth it for Brexit? But of course Brexit didn't need to be thus. That is a conscious decision by the current (not the previous) government and it's clique at the top.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 19:20
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Originally Posted by keith williams View Post
if I punch the playground bully in the nose he may or may not punch me again. But if I do not, he will certainly do so.
.....and sadly, and with grim inevitability we're back to that style of rhetoric/ that characterisation of the EU again......

There really is no hope...


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Old 30th Sep 2020, 20:38
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What neither side seems to realise, is that this stance is MAD and no deal will probably lead to the Mutually Assured Destruction of all our economies.

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Old 30th Sep 2020, 21:50
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What neither side seems to realise, is that this stance is MAD and no deal will probably lead to the Mutually Assured Destruction of all our economies.
I don't think many people now see Brexit/no deal as leading to the destruction of the EU27 economies...
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 22:06
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
I don't think many people now see Brexit/no deal as leading to the destruction of the EU27 economies...
Your probably right, I was a bit OTT with that piece of rhetoric, I should have toned it down a bit and said Mutually Assured Damage. Either way, not going to do any of the economies involved much good.

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