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Old 4th Aug 2020, 16:31
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How are they going to sort out the Belfast-Dublin Express which has been running for 100 years.
There will be no border inside the island of Ireland. There will be one elsewhere. I personally find this humiliating.
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Old 8th Aug 2020, 09:29
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...edom-movement/

EU mulls offering British expats additional freedom of movement rights

British people living in the EU when the Brexit transition period ends will be given additional freedom of movement rights under plans being considered by Brussels.

European Commission officials are mulling plans that will allow British citizens living in an EU country at the end of 2020 deadline to move to and work in another country in the bloc in a similar fashion to EU citizens. The unilateral offer is expected to come with strings such as a requirement to show five years continuous residence in the EU.

Details of the offer on onward free movement were explained at a Thursday meeting of the EU-UK Joint Specialised Committee on citizens rights, Politico reported.

“We received good news on combining our Withdrawal Agreement status with other EU immigration statuses, which should provide some UK citizens in the EU with some further mobility rights,” Fiona Godfrey, co-chair of the British in Europe campaign told the news website.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brit...vement-rights/

During a meeting of the EU-U.K. Joint Specialised Committee on citizens’ rights on Thursday, European Commission officials confirmed British citizens who moved to the EU before the end of 2020, when the Brexit transition comes to an end, will be able to settle in a different EU country to the one they are resident in, for purposes including work and study. However, that right to onward movement comes with limitations, including the need to prove five years of continuous residence in the bloc, participants in the meeting said.......

At the meeting, the Commission also confirmed that 25 of 27 EU countries will differentiate between those who have spent five or more years in the bloc and those who haven’t by using the
biometric residence cards issued for British nationals. The other two EU countries, which the Commission did not name, are considering an alternative method of demonstrating 5-year residency.

The ability to show residency in the bloc for longer than five years is important because of the extra rights acquired after that time. For instance, under the Withdrawal Agreement, Brits with EU permanent residence can leave their host country and return without losing their status.......


“We now need clarity on how those rights will be evidenced.”
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 06:08
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-nor...eland-53685266

Can anyone explain why are we (the taxpayer) spending £355m for a customs system inside our own country that was not meant to exist according to Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson?
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 07:21
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Originally Posted by Big_D View Post
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-nor...eland-53685266

Can anyone explain why are we (the taxpayer) spending £355m for a customs system inside our own country that was not meant to exist according to Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson?
That's easy, it's just another unravelling of the lies and distortion of the extreme Brexiteers. It will carry on, and on and on as the true picture of life after the EU evolves.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 10:17
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Just the start of the unravelling I fear, but hey ho interesting times to observe. My copy of Private Eye gets funnier every 2 weeks, and even the Economist gives me a chuckle now and then.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 20:43
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
That's easy, it's just another unravelling of the lies and distortion of the extreme Brexiteers. It will carry on, and on and on as the true picture of life after the EU evolves.
The plot thickens!

Boris Johnson Says Irish Sea Border ‘Over My Dead Body’

Today's article on Bloomberg.

Can anyone explain what is going on in this person's head? He seems to be mentally unstable.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 00:00
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Originally Posted by Big_D View Post
The plot thickens!

Boris Johnson Says Irish Sea Border ‘Over My Dead Body’

Today's article on Bloomberg.

Can anyone explain what is going on in this person's head? He seems to be mentally unstable.
I suppose that now that the third runway at Heathrow probably is scrapped and there won't be any photo opportunities with bulldozers, he will have to find another cause celebre.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 08:54
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He will find one, even if he has to form it himself, the ego that just keeps on giving !
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 08:13
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I don't pay for the FT, so I can't read the article, but I saw this headline on the BBC news website "Newspaper Headlines" page:-

"Brexit trade talks set to stall again over UK demand for truckers' access to EU".

Excuse me, but what exactly do the UK expect? Those of us who understand European road freight always knew that there would not be free access for UK registered hauliers, since we have left the single market. Hauliers from any EU country will be able to ply their trade between any EU country and the UK; and UK hauliers will be able to ply their trade between the UK and any country in the EU but, and here's the big "but" many countries have a permit system for foreign (that is non EU) hauliers, so what the UK is "demanding" (why, just for once don't we "ask"?!!) is just not attainable. The UK doesn't have a permit system, so there will be free access from the EU to UK; and because of the shortage of UK drivers and hauliers it would be an (other) economic shot in the foot to apply one.

This is not the EU being awkward, it is a fundamental misunderstanding at government level, let alone the level of the average voter, of what being "in" or "out" means. It's not, and was never going to be, a cherry picking exercise but the politicians currently at the helm somehow can't grasp that. And road haulage really is a case where the UK stands to lose, and the EU will come out unscathed. There are other industries where that is not the case, but haulage ain't one of them.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 09:29
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Calm down and don't believe alarmist headlines. It’s just part of the negotiations which start again today - and doubtless a point which will be used as an offset elsewhere in negotiations. Which side leaked it to cause the headlines for leverage is open to debate.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...bump-t5whrwqlm

Haulage row causes Brexit roadbump

Progress on a Brexit deal is being threatened by Brussels’s refusal to grant British truckers wide-ranging access to the EU, as formal talks resume today.

Negotiators are expected to clash on the future of the haulage industry after it was reported that the European Commission rejected a British request for trucking access as “fundamentally unbalanced”.

Britain wants truckers to be able to continue picking up and dropping off goods inside and between EU countries. It also wants transit rights for drivers crossing to places such as Turkey. In return it has offered the right for EU trucks to travel to Ireland via the UK.

Brussels has rejected the proposal, however, on the basis that it is too similar to granting access to the EU’s single market....

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Old 19th Aug 2020, 09:36
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Britain wants truckers to be able to continue picking up and dropping off goods inside and between EU countries. It also wants transit rights for drivers crossing to places such as Turkey. In return it has offered the right for EU trucks to travel to Ireland via the UK.

Brussels has rejected the proposal, however, on the basis that it is too similar to granting access to the EU’s single market....
There is a one word term for this - cabotage, or I believe in commercial aviation parlance, 5th freedom. The EU isn't about to give way on this for precisely the reason stated in The Times' article - that such access is part and parcel of the single market. The only card that the UK has to play is the transit of trucks between the mainland EU and Ireland, but if they gave way just on this point the quid pro quo is transit across the EU to Turkey. In reality, hardly any UK operators work the routes between Turkey and UK, that work is pretty well exclusively the preserve of Turkish hauliers, which is why you see so many Turkish registered trucks on UK roads.

The cabotage issue is a non starter, I'll put my hands up if i'm proven wrong, but it was a major issue for some states back when the single market was implemented.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 10:28
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
... <snip>... so what the UK is "demanding" (why, just for once don't we "ask"?!!)... <snip>...
It's worth bearing in mind that the French verb for "to ask" is "demander" - and if the leaked report originated from the EU, it could be that whoever translated the report used 'demand' instead of 'ask'.

Wars have started over less.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 10:59
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It's worth bearing in mind that the French verb for "to ask" is "demander" - and if the leaked report originated from the EU, it could be that whoever translated the report used 'demand' instead of 'ask'.

Wars have started over less.
I actually think that the word "demand" was used by the journalist. They tend to like aggressive words like "demand" and "clash", they tend to sell more papers and are good "click bait".
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 11:20
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When WILL some people finally understand what leaving the EU actually means?
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 11:27
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The penny will drop only after we are totally out , and at that date we will start to here no doubt the cry "oh we did not think it would be like this" . It may not occur in January but maybe by this time next year when food prices will have started to increase, (noticed that already happening in the UK when I am
back there doing weekly shop). Unfortunately Brexit combined with Covid and shopping changes is quite a lethal cocktail for some businesses as can be seen from the rising redundancies.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
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The penny will drop only after we are totally out , and at that date we will start to here no doubt the cry "oh we did not think it would be like this" . It may not occur in January but maybe by this time next year when food prices will have started to increase, (noticed that already happening in the UK when I am
back there doing weekly shop). Unfortunately Brexit combined with Covid and shopping changes is quite a lethal cocktail for some businesses as can be seen from the rising redundancies.
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From what I glean from my wife who is on the "Covid team" for the global logistics company she works for it may well be sooner than this time next year that the sh1t hits the fan, since the systems aren't in place, the staff aren't in place and the hauliers simply don't know what's going to be the position on 1.1.21. Perhaps stockpiling broccoli and other vegetables that can be bought fresh and frozen in early December may be a smart move.

Having alienated the 16 - 18 year olds with dodgy algorithms, and likely alienating much of the rest of the population with the effects of Brexit Johnson could easily become a one-term Prime Minister, supposing he wants more than one term that is.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 12:37
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After yet another monumental cock-up by the UK government under BoJo, that shallow, ridiculous, lying buffoon, namely the way that the Ofqual exam grades disaster was allowed to unfold, the next one will finish not only BoJo, but the Conservative Government. It's coming down the line now; the lack of any coherent economic plan to deal with unemployment when the JRS ends. And of course there's the looming catastrophe of the foreseeable total failure of the EU negotiations and the fury of voters who were lied to time after time to persuade them to vote Leave, when the lies are finally laid bare.

25,000 excess deaths from Covid 19 will not be forgotten. no matter how much BoJo tries to suggest it's not his fault.

Conservatives being what they are, the incompetent ministers Bo Jo has collected around him will be thrown to the wolves, one by one, in an attempt to shield BoJo from the blame, but the Party will dump him sooner rather than later as the Brexit promises unravel, one by one, in a last ditch attempt to save the Party itself from wipe-out. Some nonentity will take his place. My money's on all this happening before the end of 2020.

Then Labour will realise what a good move it was to select Kier Starmer to deliver the coup de grace.

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Old 19th Aug 2020, 12:50
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Chris Curtis is the Research Manager at YouGov....

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Old 19th Aug 2020, 13:24
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Chris Curtis is the Research Manager at YouGov....
Were you proud to post that, ORAC ?

Don't you feel even just a little bit sad at what Boris and Cummings have done to the once great Conservative Party that has in the past done so much for this country? There must be many of your members who are quietly ashamed of what is being done in their name.
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I think Boris will be lucky to be in place come August 2021as the Conservative Party will see that he has a good chance of letting Keir Starmer win the next election. Goodness knows who will replace him......
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