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Old 5th Jun 2020, 11:45
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse View Post
Why do Remoaners feel the need to insult Brexiteers by implying that they are 'dogma driven' or worse.

There is much that can be said about the each side's arguments but at least have the decency to credit the person with diametrically opposite views of at least having a modicum of independent thinking.
Oh the irony, remoaners? Really?

And the actions of the few who are taking advantage of the Pandemic to run down negotiations whilst refusing to even contemplate an extension to the transition period, a perfectly reasonable thing to request in the circumstances, ARE dogma driven.
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Old 5th Jun 2020, 12:31
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CBI U-turns and opposes applying for an extension......

https://order-order.com/2020/06/05/c...xit-extension/
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Old 5th Jun 2020, 12:45
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
CBI U-turns and opposes applying for an extension......

https://order-order.com/2020/06/05/c...xit-extension/
Having googled these alleged remarks the only reference I can find is the very article you quoted; nothing else, not even from the Daily Express or Telegraph, both of which would normally shout that kind of story from the rooftops. I would suggest that "Euro-Guido" has taken a couple of sentences out of context, or worse, made the whole thing up.

Looks very much like Fake News to me.
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Old 5th Jun 2020, 12:51
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You did watch the video, right?
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Old 5th Jun 2020, 12:55
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
You did watch the video, right?
No, I tend to avoid looking at anything on Guido; it is a hopelessly biased outlet, no better or worse than the Morning Star.
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Old 5th Jun 2020, 13:05
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Well Guido was reporting on an embedded video extract of an interview with the chair of the CBI on Newsnight on the BBC.
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 06:49
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The interesting thing in this article is that the acceptance that there is going to be no extension and that the intent of Germany will be to try and agree some sort of deal before the transition arrangements cease in December.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...-happens-next/

Brexit deadlock: What happens next?
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 10:43
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
No, I tend to avoid looking at anything on Guido; it is a hopelessly biased outlet, no better or worse than the Morning Star.
I did in the past give Guido some credit till I saw one of its main characters perform (or not) under interview some mornings ago, he came a cross as someone whose Biased view was shockingly simplistic and rather child like.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 05:59
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It's nationalist stupidity like that, that got us into the shit we are in now.
Totally agree
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 08:11
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No-deal watch: Interesting stuff on Brexit from Sky News’ Tamara Cohen, who has been speaking to senior Tories about the prospects of leaving the transition period without a trade deal, and how the coronavirus pandemic has changed everything.

One minister tells her: “No-deal Brexit was going to be the biggest thing to happen to our economy until three months ago. Now it’s almost irrelevant. That’s certainly part of the Brexit calculation, if we’re going to see 10-15 percent wiped off our GDP anyway.” Gulp.

The minister adds: “Politically there’s no case for extension. It looks humiliating, and angers Boris’ natural supporters.”
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 08:44
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I dare say he has lost a few supporters in the last few months anyway, and to except 10-15% drop, with then a further drop on top for no deal Brexit is just mind boggling. If you lose 15-25% of UK GDP you may as well have a closing down sale, and you can forget the NHS/ Armed Forces/ Nuclear deterrent and a few other holy grail,s for the right and left wing of the Tory / Labour/Liberal party take your pick. There will not be a pot to p*** in as the farmers in Yorkshire say. When someone says that (“Politically there’s no case for extension. It looks humiliating, and angers Boris’ natural supporters.”) you can tell they have little grasp of reality, and have no economic or commercial sense, and no idea how an economy works. As you say Gulp, in fact double or even treble gulp !!

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Old 10th Jun 2020, 08:58
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
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No-deal watch: Interesting stuff on Brexit from Sky News’ Tamara Cohen, who has been speaking to senior Tories about the prospects of leaving the transition period without a trade deal, and how the coronavirus pandemic has changed everything.

One minister tells her: “No-deal Brexit was going to be the biggest thing to happen to our economy until three months ago. Now it’s almost irrelevant. That’s certainly part of the Brexit calculation, if we’re going to see 10-15 percent wiped off our GDP anyway.” Gulp.

The minister adds: “Politically there’s no case for extension. It looks humiliating, and angers Boris’ natural supporters.”
"Politically" doesn't save anyone's job, and doesn't pay anyone's mortgage or rent. It is symptomatic of a government that is being lead by the nose by an unelected advisor who's principal goal in life is to following the UKIP policy of leaving the EU (which has been achieved) under WTO terms so that we can trade with the former Empire (a work in progress). If Keir Starmer and his team, plus the other opposition leaders, who now also appear to include Arlene Foster, so far as not extending the transition is concerned, do their job right the Conservatives with their dogma on the EU could quite conceivably receive a considerable drubbing from the electorate in a little over 4 years time. They cannot be allowed to lump the economic disaster that would be leaving transition with no EU trade deal with the "Covid effect".
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 09:17
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Keir Starmer and Labour? Don’t hold your hopes up......

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9508136.html

Keir Starmer refuses to back Brexit transition extension
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 09:28
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Keir Starmer and Labour? Don’t hold your hopes up......

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9508136.html

Keir Starmer refuses to back Brexit transition extension
That's a very selective quotation, ORAC. What he actually said was:

Keir Starmer has rejected calls for the Brexit transition period to be extended, saying he would rather “the negotiations were completed as quickly as possible"
So rather than giving up on negotiations, he is wanting them to be concluded successfully.

As any sensible person interested in the future prosperity of the country would prefer.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 09:36
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That's a very selective quotation, ORAC. What he actually said was:
It’s not a quote - it’s the headline.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 09:44
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
It’s not a quote - it’s the headline.
Which you gleefully printed here.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 10:03
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
It’s not a quote - it’s the headline.
What are headlines? In the current parlance "click bait"

If that is actually the policy of Labour and the leader of the opposition then they / he will become culpable in the economic effects of an exit from transition without an EU trade deal and should be equally with the government held to account. I can't imagine that voters who are in the former red wall seats, whom Labour has to win back to have a sniff at regaining power will thank them for contributing to their lost jobs and homes should the worst happen, even though many of them jumped on the Leave bandwagon in June 2016.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 10:10
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But that's NOT the policy. Starmer said he wanted the negotiations to be completed as quickly as possible.
Wouldn't you?
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 10:15
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But that's NOT the policy. Starmer said he wanted the negotiations to be completed as quickly as possible.
Wouldn't you?
Definitely, however Covid-19 has made this look a very difficult task, made worse when Cummings and the hardline Brexiteers are pulling the strings of the lead UK negotiators. I hope that reality is going to strike home at some stage in the next few weeks, not for my sake, but for the sake of those who are going to be hit hard if it doesn't.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 08:54
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I'll post this as our ardent Tory insider obviously hasn't noticed it:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53002961

Although Fairbairn doesn't explicitly say the CBI want an extension to transition it's clear that their view is also that industry can't weather the fallout from Covid-19 and a no deal exit from transition.
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