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Old 21st May 2020, 12:32
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
TT, they are "Total confirmed deaths per million population"

I think you can also add "p1ss poor management of the NHS and PHE to the list of possible reasons why things have gone worse here than many other places.

Once the dust has settled it will be interesting to see where the source infections came from, eg airports, ships or trains. Given France has recognised that they potentially had C-19 in December maybe our close physical links with France might explain why our death rates, and totals, are so similar compared to Germany for example.
Thanks for clarifying that Low. That depiction is really interesting.

Maybe that extra month is important, as the ski season gets going in January and this was the source of the spread for quite a few Northern European clusters. And despite proximity to Italy and France, most Germans tend to stay in the North of the Alps, even though Italy is only a couple of hours further.
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Old 21st May 2020, 12:49
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Are we there yet?
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Old 21st May 2020, 12:50
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One of Ms LNS's friends came back from her chalet girl job in Italy and gave some of her pals a New Years gift of C-19.....
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Old 21st May 2020, 12:51
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How does the fact that the Frogs caused the Wuhan virus in the UK impact on the Brexit debate?
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Old 21st May 2020, 12:54
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
How does the fact that the Frogs caused the Wuhan virus in the UK impact on the Brexit debate?
Apparently it was the Bats, not the Frogs.
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Old 21st May 2020, 12:56
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Apparently it was the Bats, not the Frogs.
Bat Out of Hell?

Like a Bat out of Hell, I'll be gone, gone, gone.................
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Old 21st May 2020, 13:02
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
How does the fact that the Frogs caused the Wuhan virus in the UK impact on the Brexit debate?
Obvious. If Brexit had been properly implemented already, we wouldn’t have caught that chinky/froggy virus

AO, this arose because the UKs handling of Covid puts the lie to the notion that Britain doing its own thing is stronger and better. It isn’t. And it looks to be faring badly compared to some peer countries in Northern Europe.

On the other hand it is a league table leader if you choose to refer to India, Russia etc. instead of the neighbours.
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Old 21st May 2020, 16:07
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Yes well, even tho the NHS workers performed miracles it does sort of suggest that the UK isn't the best place in Europe to get sick.................
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Old 21st May 2020, 16:42
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Could it be be that the UK is doing badly on a whole series of indices such as poor health; poor hygiene; under-investment in the health system?
There are statistics and statistics. How about you adjust the numbers for population numbers and population density to name just a few of the variables?

A firend of mine did just this purely out of curiosity. Adjusting the numbers of COVID related deaths in this way puts Sweden at the top of the list followed by the USA, Spain, Ireland,France,Norway, Finladn, Italy, Belgium, UK, Switzerland, Austria, Netherlands, Denmark, Portugal, Germany, Greece, and Poland using the WHO published numbers of deaths. I am sure there are other factors which could be applied as well such as percentage of over 65s and so on.

You could invest any amount of money in the NHS and it would not have been prepared for what it was faced with but, hey, let's blame the government.

There are so many variables that nothing is clear and probably won't be for a year or two.
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Old 21st May 2020, 18:20
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Ancient Observer, it was a case of cross contamination!!
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Old 21st May 2020, 21:26
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Who was cross? The Brexiteers or the Remainers?

Or the folk from Wuhan?
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Old 22nd May 2020, 17:41
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Originally Posted by Capt Kremmen View Post
Social division? Utter psycho-babble. The only social division with which I'm in the least familiar is that associated with the 'creaming- off- the- top' carpetbaggers who now infest our Local Government town halls lining their wallets with significant amounts of cash from council taxpayers. The 'haves' and 'have nots' created by this wealth creation scheme can be likened to social division.
I think the not-so-overt power-grab ploys made by local government and the police have passed dangerously under-reported. I am collating evidence of a local council, under the cloak of Covid, seeking emergency powers in order to rapidly grant planning resolutions in the absence of public engagement and scrutiny. It is not difficult to wonder why, particularly when one considers that there is little chance of physically implementing any decisions within the foreseeable future.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 19:30
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post
I think the not-so-overt power-grab ploys made by local government and the police have passed dangerously under-reported. I am collating evidence of a local council, under the cloak of Covid, seeking emergency powers in order to rapidly grant planning resolutions in the absence of public engagement and scrutiny. It is not difficult to wonder why, particularly when one considers that there is little chance of physically implementing any decisions within the foreseeable future.
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I think that something along the lines you mention was recently reported in Private Eye. Most organisations whether private or state funded will power grab and empire build. It's in their DNA.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 20:58
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Originally Posted by Capt Kremmen View Post
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I think that something along the lines you mention was recently reported in Private Eye. Most organisations whether private or state funded will power grab and empire build. It's in their DNA.
Heavens! I'm much too old for Private Eye.

I accept that this is a genetic characteristic, which only makes it more important to seek to resist its consequences. Benjamin Franklin's dictum on freedom seems unusually apposite at the moment.
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