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Old 30th Jan 2020, 16:25
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Originally Posted by denachtenmai View Post
Oh knc, you are such a ray of sunshine in these dark times, I took the waving of our national flag as a sign of goodbye.
Since when have people stood and waved goodbye to loved ones with static appendages?
To wave-- move one's hand to and fro in greeting or as a signal.
Anyway, your outrage bus will have many more passengers before long so you can wallow in your despair with like minds.
Ooooh, I see you have one already.
Thank you for the clarification. Does this differ in any way from, say, gesticulating using the digits of the hand as I have been known to do towards those who warrant such ?

I will say your own, and many others, euphoria will be relatively short lived. Given your age, you will start to become more and more reliant on younger people to provide services you require. You may have noticed this Gov't has made no secret of the intention to reduce workers rights, significantly, once we have left....all you have to do now, PM a friend if you wish, is make the correlation .......
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 16:27
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I am very sorry but I have to post this. It is just so funny and accurate...
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 17:01
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I haven't laughed that much in ages!!
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 17:15
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Interesting article int today's"times" from their Economics Editor saying how the Govt is already set to sell the fisherman down the river again

Apparently well over half the UK's current quota is owned by EU companies running things through perfectly legal UK subsids - and the WHOLE of the N Ireland quota is owned by one Dutch trawler... of course it was he UK fishermen who sold them the quotas in the first place..........
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 18:22
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Interesting article int today's"times" from their Economics Editor saying how the Govt is already set to sell the fisherman down the river again

Apparently well over half the UK's current quota is owned by EU companies running things through perfectly legal UK subsids - and the WHOLE of the N Ireland quota is owned by one Dutch trawler... of course it was he UK fishermen who sold them the quotas in the first place..........
Exactly, see #4439 above. I still have a vivid recollection of a Newquay skipper on TV, pouring out his woes that the industry was being crippled by " they foreign" boats, and then confirming to the reporter that he his company (3 boats I think) had sold almost their entire quota after getting an offer they didn't want to refuse from Spain. Something tells me that BoJo hasn't quite got his head round how the fishing industry really works.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 18:54
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With the imminent coronation of Keir Starmer as Labour leader I sincerely hope that the party adopts rejoining the EU as a policy. 74 YouGov polls since the beginning of 2019 have returned a Remain majority ( the last 10 averaged a 7% lead) in view of the fact that Starmer is a moderate I think this would attract a fair chunk of LD and Tory Remainer votes.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 19:04
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74 YouGov polls since the beginning of 2019 gave returned a Remain majority
That is probably why Boris only got an eighty seat majority.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 19:10
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
That is probably why Boris only got an eighty seat majority.
Comments like these show that some don't realise how sick and undemocratic the FPTP system is...
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 19:12
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He got a majority because many Remainers couldn't bring themselves to vote for Corbyn. If the 54% of the electorate who prefer to be members of the EU can be adequately marshalled by a moderate centre left leader that, combined with the travails that the attempt to organise trade deals will bring, will be quite enough to elect a pro EU party with a rejoin agenda.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 20:55
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Does this differ in any way from, say, gesticulating using the digits of the hand as I have been known to do towards those who warrant such ?
I am afraid that if you don't know the difference by now it would be an impossibility for me to educate you in the niceties of decorum.
Of course being in the RAF and of a leftie persuasion, I would expect that said digit gesticulation would have been used in your direction rather a lot.
Talking of age, I notice that you are rather shy, got anything to hide? Get the dog to reply if you are.






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Old 31st Jan 2020, 04:28
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Originally Posted by denachtenmai View Post
I am afraid that if you don't know the difference by now it would be an impossibility for me to educate you in the niceties of decorum.
Of course being in the RAF and of a leftie persuasion, I would expect that said digit gesticulation would have been used in your direction rather a lot.
Talking of age, I notice that you are rather shy, got anything to hide? Get the dog to reply if you are.
Actually, the gesture was invariably the reverse and certainly when encountering those who felt a scrappy bit of parchment and braid made them superior.

My age ?.....younger than you physically, older than you mentally, and younger than you philosophically. Our dog was not consulted as she's now gone back to sleep.

And so it begins.

The headlines are all too predictable as the wave of nausea commences for those of us do not subscribe to the infatuation of "little England ", with our past. A little island fading into insignificance thanks to the petulance of those besotted with the word "Great " prefacing Britain . Thanks also to the unrelenting campaign of disinformation masquerading as intelligent propaganda . The Express kindly shows some of the banner headlines in this respect, but probably not including the fallacies and vilification of immigrants. The Guardian is suitably sombre and definitive.

Tonight, and probably tomorrow, there will be "celebrations " as "little England " rejoices with all the warped jingoism they can muster. Thereafter, it's going to be a relatively short time before the enormity of separating the UK from the security of a powerful and prominent trading bloc begins to become apparent.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-51320408

For those who will be celebrating ......

For the future, and for those of us who remain British and European..........and when we return to the EU.




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Old 31st Jan 2020, 05:55
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Krystal,

Come, come, whether you like it or not, "a scrappy bit of parchment and braid" does make one more superior than others, in many ways, provided it is obtained legitimately. Being appointed a "Superior" is the outcome of having the necessary qualifications, experience, and sometimes being in the right place at the right time. Rarely does the RAF make mistakes in the selection and training of it's "Superiors".

Obviously there will always be some who will not accept the authority of "Superiors", choosing instead to follow the murky path of rebellion and ultimately, anarchy..

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Old 31st Jan 2020, 06:08
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
He got a majority because many Remainers couldn't bring themselves to vote for Corbyn. If the 54% of the electorate who prefer to be members of the EU can be adequately marshalled by a moderate centre left leader that, combined with the travails that the attempt to organise trade deals will bring, will be quite enough to elect a pro EU party with a rejoin agenda.
And yet they didnít vote for the Lib Dems, who are/were the ultimate remain party. Their headline policy was the most honest. They are more centre than Labour.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 08:03
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As has been pointed out FPTP doesn't allow clear guidance as to where to place one's vote. In many cases the LD cause was so hopeless as to render voting for them irrelevant. I ended up voting Labour. I didn't want Corbyn to lead the country any more than I did Boris.

listening to Steve Baker on the wireless just now attempting to butter parsnips with soft words, reasonable as he was, it still brought to mind a burglar who, having just ransacked your house, offers his hand on the way out and says "No hard feelings." Well yes, there are hard feelings and I shall waste no effort making them known to those stupid enough to admit in the future that they voted Leave. This isn't over, not by a long chalk. I can't even begin to imagine the feelings of those who voted Remain.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 08:45
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Actually, the gesture was invariably the reverse and certainly when encountering those who felt a scrappy bit of parchment and braid made them superior.

My age ?.....younger than you physically, older than you mentally, and younger than you philosophically. Our dog was not consulted as she's now gone back to sleep.

And so it begins.

The headlines are all too predictable as the wave of nausea commences for those of us do not subscribe to the infatuation of "little England ", with our past. A little island fading into insignificance thanks to the petulance of those besotted with the word "Great " prefacing Britain . Thanks also to the unrelenting campaign of disinformation masquerading as intelligent propaganda . The Express kindly shows some of the banner headlines in this respect, but probably not including the fallacies and vilification of immigrants. The Guardian is suitably sombre and definitive.

Tonight, and probably tomorrow, there will be "celebrations " as "little England " rejoices with all the warped jingoism they can muster. Thereafter, it's going to be a relatively short time before the enormity of separating the UK from the security of a powerful and prominent trading bloc begins to become apparent.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-51320408

For those who will be celebrating ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC6S_VuRNGk

For the future, and for those of us who remain British and European..........and when we return to the EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK89AoIrPYU

" British and European" remains as true after we've left the EU as it does while we're in the EU. Being EU and being European are NOT one and the same thing!!
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 08:51
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I would imagine that if you asked the cast majority of Leavers they would say that being in the EU and being a European are exactly the same thing. And herein lies the problem. Leavers are for the most part isolationists who hanker for the mythical "Good old days" of Empire. Ironically it's the Empire that created the conditions for the immigration that they hate, as the prime motivation for those wanting to come to Britain is that they can speak the language.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 09:00
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I ended up voting Labour. I didn't want Corbyn to lead the country any more than I did Boris.
I hope you don't mind me asking... but why on earth did you do that?

How can you vote for a party that is so vague on the main issue of the day that even the leader wouldn't commit to saying what he believed in? He said he would negotiate a new deal with the EU and then hold a referendum on whether we wanted to accept that deal, without telling us how he would campaign or vote in that referendum. Now come on, how can we trust someone to negotiate a good deal when we don't know if they are committed to getting it agreed to by a referendum? If he wants to remain then he could deliberately negotiate a bad deal so the majority vote against it. If he is pro-Brexit then he should have admitted it openly so we know that he really would have done his best to negotiate a good deal. He couldn't do either because, IMHO, what he believes in and what his puppet masters sitting behind him and pulling his strings believe in are 2 different things.

Did you vote for Labour because they promised to spend £m's on 'free' broadband for everyone - even though that money could be far better spent helping fight poverty, or many other real issues?

Did you vote labour because you believed the line in their manifesto promise that clearly stated that they would create "a million climate jobs in every region of the UK"? There are 12 regions in the UK, therefore they promised to create 12 MILLION jobs in just the one field of industry
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 09:22
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and when we return to the EU.
He He He, you may be younger than me, in age, but I'll bet you £50 that this doesn't happen in your remaining years.
Pity that I probably won't be around to collect, but one never knows, it is reckoned that pessimists (you) have a shorter lifespan than optimists (me).
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 10:32
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I voted Labour in a constituency that consistently has a 50%+ Tory vote share so it was always going to be meaningless. I would have voted Labour anywhere though because I realised that was the only faint hope of a hung parliament, which was my preferred option.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 10:48
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Comments like these show that some don't realise how sick and undemocratic the FPTP system is...
. I hope Wee Nicola realises too - her "stonking majority" came from about 45% of the vote.

And of course, as from tomorrow, she - and other devolved authorities - will get MORE power ceded from Brussels. Like ...... er ....... fishing........
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