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Old 16th Jan 2020, 10:31
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What is also to be taken into account is the UK is not a new country negotiating new deals with the EU, we already trade with them, so the negotiations will merely be to decide what processes/rules that trade will continue under, unless people seriously think that all existing trade will stop at the end of the month and won’t restart until new deals are negotiated.

If one looks at the government site on trading if a default leave happens, it will be noted that the new processes/documents are there to use in the same way as non-EU countries currently trade with the EU.
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Old 16th Jan 2020, 12:21
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The silent disco approach to the issue should satisfy everyone.
No doubt somebody, somewhere, using the "fearless tradition that made Britain great " excuse etc will ring some bells......and no doubt as per N Y Eve and a certain date in Nov, the artillery barrage will open up at midnight to "celebrate "

Nige is planning an all day event then....Nige and planning / events have not been entirely successful in the past....no change is expected therefore.
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Old 16th Jan 2020, 13:52
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What is also to be taken into account is the UK is not a new country negotiating new deals with the EU, we already trade with them, so the negotiations will merely be to decide what processes/rules that trade will continue under, unless people seriously think that all existing trade will stop at the end of the month and won’t restart until new deals are negotiated.
Yes - the negotiations will start from a position of alignment, but how we handle divergence will be interesting. Easier if we raise our standards, but more complex if it goes the other way
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Old 16th Jan 2020, 14:21
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Yes - the negotiations will start from a position of alignment, but how we handle divergence will be interesting. Easier if we raise our standards, but more complex if it goes the other way
I still struggle to understand (a problem I have in many areas of life apparently ) why any business would lower their production standards from those currently accepted by the EU on current trade, it is a sure way of ending their trade with the EU, and I doubt they would want to lose that EU trade so they can try and negotiate a new deal with a new trading partner country outside the EU, it would be economic suicide for them.
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Old 16th Jan 2020, 14:30
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It'll not be what individual businesses do, but the legal requirements - at the moment your sprocket has to be manufactured in compliance with EU reg 1234. In future it will have to comply with British reg 1234. These two will be aligned and exit and will be until something changes. While they are aligned all should be fine, when they diverge you will have to prove seperately that your sprocket meets EU reg 1234 - you can't just say it meets British reg 1234 and have it accepted (asssuming our standard get lowered!). So extra costs - documentation, checking etc
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 07:25
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The bells ! the bells !.......Boris, presumably, is keeping his own donation a closely guarded secret......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51133614

There again, it's possibly a wise move on his part "ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee " ( bit of culture please note ) because it shouldn't take too long after we've left for his much vaunted promises regarding the UK's roseate future to start fragmenting...
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 08:00
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So is this an example of how Britain will spring forward once we've cast off the European straitjacket for a life of swashbuckling freedom and prosperity, or...
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 08:30
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It is just another example of technically ignorant members of the HoC not understanding that this refurbishment can't be equated to how they got their kitchen replaced.
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 09:40
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So is this an example of how Britain will spring forward once we've cast off the European straitjacket for a life of swashbuckling freedom and prosperity, or...
​​​​​​... just being a laughing stock on the world stage.
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 11:01
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I understand that the bells have been rung at the end of world wars.

I find this distasteful of Boris when just under half of the population was against leaving, also considering the tradition, this is an insult to the neighboring countries.
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 11:20
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Originally Posted by Gargleblaster View Post
I understand that the bells have been rung at the end of world wars.

I find this distasteful of Boris when just under half of the population was against leaving, also considering the tradition, this is an insult to the neighboring countries.
I honestly couldn't care less about a couple of bells ringing in the UK.
If they feel they've been liberated just make them celebrate.
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 11:58
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If we cannot get Big Ben to chime, perhaps we could orchestrate a mass parade of Mr Whippy vans.
Celebrate independence with a 99 and sprinkles.
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 14:52
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If we cannot get Big Ben to chime, perhaps we could orchestrate a mass parade of Mr Whippy vans.
Celebrate independence with a 99 and sprinkles.
Now we're talking!!
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 15:43
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Not strictly necessary, but if I want a reminder of what this process of mass stupidity has cost us, there is a Youtube clip of a 'flash mob' in (I believe) Nurnberg performing 'Ode to Joy'. The sheer, communal outpouring of pleasure is almost palpable. Follow that with a few clips of Tuba Skinny doing street gigs in New Orleans and the risible claptrap of the 'Little Englanders' fades into the obscurity it deserves.
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Old 18th Jan 2020, 04:44
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
It'll not be what individual businesses do, but the legal requirements - at the moment your sprocket has to be manufactured in compliance with EU reg 1234. In future it will have to comply with British reg 1234. These two will be aligned and exit and will be until something changes. While they are aligned all should be fine, when they diverge you will have to prove seperately that your sprocket meets EU reg 1234 - you can't just say it meets British reg 1234 and have it accepted (asssuming our standard get lowered!). So extra costs - documentation, checking etc
That's a remarkably prescient post to be fair.

Here's Javid kindly explaining that, oops, matters won't be quite as easy as we were originally lied to believe .....no matter, because once the UK has decided to set our own standards, the rest of the globe, including the EU, will just have to damned well comply with us........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933

We've always known " the day " would be "celebrated " with all the "yah boo sucks, we won, nah nah na nah " style possible, and lo and behold, Boris will be addressing a not entirely rapt nation ( of course, what would make this speech special would be if he decided to talk about Russians, and files for example, )....... the only thing missing, so far, is the announcement that Dame Vera will be trotted out to screech forth her jingoistic repertoire....., still, no doubt many on here have been dusting orff their 78's in the hope the gramophone still works and they can join in with her melodies .....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51149538#

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Old 18th Jan 2020, 07:20
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It appears there are plans to "celebrate" the witching hour by projecting an image of a clock counting down to midnight on to Downing Street. Marvellous. Isn't Downing Street the only street in the UK that the public are not allowed to see? So I hope those who want to see this and tune into TV on the night won't be too disappointed when it is eventually revealed that what they saw wasn't really live from Downing Street. It may be revealed it was fabricating in a studio on the moon.
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Old 18th Jan 2020, 07:42
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And, for the chronologically challenged, there's a countdown clock here.
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Old 18th Jan 2020, 07:54
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Just checked in online for our forthcoming European holiday only to realise that we return on Saturday 1st Feb.

Might have an "early night" on the Friday
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Old 18th Jan 2020, 09:15
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
It appears there are plans to "celebrate" the witching hour by projecting an image of a clock counting down to midnight on to Downing Street. Marvellous.
Why would Downing Street have a clock showing European time and not GMT?
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Old 18th Jan 2020, 11:59
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We leave at midnight Brussels time, not London. So 23.00 GMT.

Interesting that the 'midnight' point is getting picked up more than the 'standards' - I know which one has the greater long term impact!
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