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Old 30th Dec 2019, 11:30
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
In a way or another, England will get what it asked for.
Scotland will be happy to regain control of its fishing waters and oil fields the limits of which England has tweaked to its benefit.
I'm curious about the fishing waters issue. You have clearly stated in previous posts that the EU trawlers would just carry on as before, you rightly pointed out that the UK has insufficient fishery protection/patrol vessels and that EU fishermen would claim 'traditional fishing grounds' as a reason to take fish from UK waters, yet here you say that Scotland will regain control of its waters. The two positions are mutually exclusive.
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 12:22
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And in Scotland, the Scottish navy would enforce fishing and oil production????
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 12:27
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
... yet here you say that Scotland will regain control of its waters. The two positions are mutually exclusive.
Hi Harley Quinn.
Your attention to messages and memory are to be commended.
With respect, you seem to imply that "regaining control" means some British Frigate chasing French trawlers.
But what if it meant Scotland taking back control of its waters over the English, and chasing them ? And allowing whomever else they see fit to fish in their EEZ ?
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 12:33
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
And in Scotland, the Scottish navy would enforce fishing and oil production????
Just like they are currently doing, with their Fishery Protection Vessels...
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 21:52
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The future may hold a number of cod wars ? Scotland vs. UK ? EU vs. UK ?

Regarding the non-existing Scottish Navy, you might want to google the cod war between Iceland and the UK in the 70 and take notice of who won, with no navy at all.
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 22:19
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A recent discussion on the fishing issue suggested that the status quo will remain post leaving, as the various allocations were sold, signed and sealed to 'foreign' enterprises years ago and are no longer legally 'ours' to squabble over. True or false, I know not, but experience would point to the Brits' knowledge of cost versus value making it quite likely!
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Old 31st Dec 2019, 01:24
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Originally Posted by Gargleblaster View Post
The future may hold a number of cod wars ? Scotland vs. UK ? EU vs. UK ?

Regarding the non-existing Scottish Navy, you might want to google the cod war between Iceland and the UK in the 70 and take notice of who won, with no navy at all.
Indeed.
EU vs UK unlikely as fishing deals will be a prerequisite to "other" deals. May even end the scallop wars, where UK boats come plundering the Seine estuary during reproduction season, who knows ?


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Old 31st Dec 2019, 01:31
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
A recent discussion on the fishing issue suggested that the status quo will remain post leaving, as the various allocations were sold, signed and sealed to 'foreign' enterprises years ago and are no longer legally 'ours' to squabble over. True or false, I know not, but experience would point to the Brits' knowledge of cost versus value making it quite likely!
That may play a partial role, but the main reason is the Laws of the Sea allow fishermen to continue fishing in their traditional fishing grounds.
And fishing trades will be among the first trades to be discussed and implemented in 2021.

The UK will continue to be bound by the requirements of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and how they relate to the management of fisheries in any Brexit outcome. This includes an obligation to co-operate with other coastal states on the management of shared stocks or stocks of associated species. The Fisheries White Paper Sustainable fisheries for future generations, published in July 2018, set out the Government’s intention to continue to co-operate closely with the EU and other coastal states on the sustainable management of fish stocks that cross borders.
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 09:52
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With the return of Parliament after the Christmas/New Year break, things Brexit, sorry EU Withdrawal kick off again.

For those not paying attention, the Backstop, which had a simple single border and was supported by business groups in Northern Ireland, but dismissed by the DUP and loyalist groups is now replaced with Boris Johnson’s wheeze of a more complicated two border configuration that is opposed by business groups in Northern Ireland, the DUP and loyalist groups along with some other parties in NI.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/northern-ireland-mps-unite-in-seeking-changes-to-brexit-bill-1.4131899

In an attempt to keep the wheels on the wagon, NI Sec of State, Julian Smith met with representatives of the loyalist paramilitaries over the Christmas break to discuss their concerns.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/north...cerns-1807165/

JAS

P.S. the reference in the Irish News story to a murder can be further followed up here https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-38835909.html
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 10:08
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Regarding "Scottish" oil production, ALL UK Oil & Gas revenues have shrunk dramatically in the last decade according to the OBR:
Since 2008-09 UK oil and gas revenues have fallen from £10.6 billion (0.7 per cent of GDP) to £1.1 billion in 2018-19. The fall in receipts has been driven by falling production and higher tax-deductible expenditure. The rate of petroleum revenue tax and the supplementary charge have also been cut substantially.
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 10:55
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Not to worry. Trump is busy pushing up the oil price.
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 12:19
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Sallyann; looks like they are settling back down again now
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 13:57
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
Sallyann; looks like they are settling back down again now
But it is still only at 60% of the figure the SNP used to do their independence financial calculations
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 16:24
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MFC Fly; and overall production is set to reduce again over the next 2 years..... and will fall even faster if the SNP extend their fracking ban to offshore fields
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 16:33
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
if the SNP extend their fracking ban to offshore fields
And rightly so.
That technique is not without dangers.
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 16:39
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
Regarding "Scottish" oil production,
Why the quotation marks ?
Do you mean Scotland shouldn't have control of its own resources and waters ?

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Old 7th Jan 2020, 18:31
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Fly Aiprt; currently it is "British" but I was trying to separate the "Scottish" fields to the North and North West of the North Sea from the fields in the Irish Sea, Southern North Sea, and the few onshore fields.
Once Scotland gets independence they might find that the much vaunted Scottish Oil is not as big a cash generator as they have assumed.

Fracking has been used continuously offshore for the last 30 years without anybody even noticing so the comment "that technique is not without dangers" is as valid as saying "overtaking a slow moving vehicle on a straight road in daytime is not without dangers".
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 22:14
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
Once Scotland gets independence they might find that the much vaunted Scottish Oil is not as big a cash generator as they have assumed.
This is Project Fear from some anti-Scexit moaner.
Once freed from the UK's shackles, Scotland will prosper once again ;-)

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Fracking has been used continuously offshore for the last 30 years without anybody even noticing so the comment "that technique is not without dangers" is as valid as saying "overtaking a slow moving vehicle on a straight road in daytime is not without dangers".
Well well well, I wouldn't trust you about environment ;-)

In March 2019, the High Court found the UK government's policy was unlawful and failed to consider the climate impact of shale gas extraction.[12] In November 2019 the government announced "an indefinite suspension" to fracking, after a report by the Oil and Gas Authority (OGA) said it was not possible to predict the probability or size of tremors caused by the practice. Business Secretary Andrea Leadsom said that the suspension nmight be temporary - imposed "until and unless" extraction is proved safe.
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 22:44
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Thank goodness - only a few days to go and we can all get the **** on with our lives. There are signs of life already. I'm selling some property - and we've had more interest since the General Election result than all of last year. Confidence is returning, and businesses are picking-up. Perhaps we'll also regain our collective sanity and humour...!
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:29
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Perhaps we'll also regain our collective sanity and humour...!
Well it doesn't hurt to fantasize ....
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