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Old 18th Dec 2019, 16:07
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It maybe the British Electorate that has go its arse royally spanked, when all the dust has settled on this over the next 10-20 years. This is the start of a long process for all concerned. It will be interesting to see how your new trade discussions go. I was, (and still am a Remainer), but the populace have obviously got bored with Brexit, and voted on it in the election, and now you have to get on with it. Personally we moved our business to Germany after the referendum, and wild horses would not bring me back to the UK apart from when I fly home at weekends.I look forward to meeting UK trade delegation's on my various journeys around the world, and finding out how well or not things are going. I do find that a more accurate assessment than that of the UK press, or indeed government of what ever persuasion. As an early heads up, you may want to observe what will happen to certain UK car plants (not those already mentioned) in the rztcoming 12 months following a conversation I had with a some what senior (car exec as I found out) in a 3rd world bar when he was on leave.

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Happening rather quicker than you thought with Chrysler merger talks , what price Ellesmere Port ? This was not even the plants we discussed they will probably be mid next year.

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Old 18th Dec 2019, 16:09
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
Which part of the Belfast Agreement 1998, to give it its proper title, would have been compromised? Many keep brining this up but having read the agreement thoroughly, several times, I see nothing in it that would be 'compromised'.
So where do you think the Irish/UK border will be?
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 16:41
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Originally Posted by OilCan View Post
So where do you think the Irish/UK border will be?
Please quote the part of the Belfast Agreement that you refer to.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 17:05
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Mr Mac, Vauxhall Ellesmere Port has been skating on thin ice for a few years now.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 18:19
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
Please quote the part of the Belfast Agreement that you refer to.
I'm not trying to quote the BA, I'm asking you. Where do you think the border is?
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 18:34
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Originally Posted by OilCan View Post
I'm not trying to quote the BA, I'm asking you. Where do you think the border is?
It doesn't matter a toss where I think the border is, I was asking kkbuk which part of the Belfast Agreement would be compromised. Since you quoted me and directed your question to me then I naturally assumed that you were also referring to the BA, if not then your post was irrelevant to my initial question.

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Old 18th Dec 2019, 19:04
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But that was not the plants we were discussing or the group. I agree Ellesmere is pretty well doomed now, and as you have said it has been on thin ice for years. But think a little closer to home and more up market. I will give you a little clue. A new product is circa £100,000 and recently (as in 3 days ago) a 17 month old 18k mileage one of my acquaintance was taken to a garage to trade in for a new one. Trade in value offered was £35k needless to say much hot air exchanged but to no avail I am told !

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Old 18th Dec 2019, 19:17
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Range Rover?
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 19:55
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Guy Verhofstadt is proposing "Associate Membership" for British citizens wishing to remain as Europeans. Yes please Mr V! This will effectively make those of us with such membership,a higher status citizen than those without.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 21:14
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
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But that was not the plants we were discussing or the group. I agree Ellesmere is pretty well doomed now, and as you have said it has been on thin ice for years. But think a little closer to home and more up market. I will give you a little clue. A new product is circa £100,000 and recently (as in 3 days ago) a 17 month old 18k mileage one of my acquaintance was taken to a garage to trade in for a new one. Trade in value offered was £35k needless to say much hot air exchanged but to no avail I am told !

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Why on earth did your colleague want to trade in a nearly new car for the same model?
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 21:24
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Why on earth did your colleague want to trade in a nearly new car for the same model?
His colleague was trading his 18 month old 2017 model for the 2019 version ?
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Guy Verhofstadt is proposing "Associate Membership" for British citizens wishing to remain as Europeans. Yes please Mr V! This will effectively make those of us with such membership,a higher status citizen than those without.
Interesting. Associate Members would be free to travel and work in the EU, benefit from all the protections in the whole EU, drive licence etc. like any Europeans.

Of course in retaliation, the UK could propose an "Associate UK Citizenship" to any European wishing to not benefit from the EU four freedoms etc...

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Old 18th Dec 2019, 21:58
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Waiting with bated breath (I might be the only one in my area, nobody here's giving a fig)
You're not alone. But I get the feeling that folk in the UK (and in the EU) want to get through (or even enjoy) Christmas and the New Year holidays before returning to the 'same old, same old' ....

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Guy Verhofstadt is proposing "Associate Membership" for British citizens wishing to remain as Europeans. Yes please Mr V! This will effectively make those of us with such membership,a higher status citizen than those without.
Interesting. Associate Members would be free to travel and work in the EU, benefit from all the protections in the whole EU, drive licence etc. like any Europeans.

Of course in retaliation, the UK could propose an "Associate UK Citizenship" to any European wishing to not benefit from the EU four freedoms etc...
Hadn't picked this up ... but if it could be halfway workable it would be so good .... (IMHO ... awaiting incoming ...)
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 22:24
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If the Eu want to provide associate membership then great. We can all pile in.. who cares We won’t be doing the opposite
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 23:24
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Originally Posted by SARF View Post
If the Eu want to provide associate membership then great. We can all pile in.. who cares We wonít be doing the opposite
SARF, how about it was some humour ?
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 04:22
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You can rely upon our Essex contributors to supply some light hearted fun by their persistent inability to pick up on nuance or humour.
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 05:40
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Guy Verhofstadt is proposing "Associate Membership" for British citizens wishing to remain as Europeans. Yes please Mr V! This will effectively make those of us with such membership,a higher status citizen than those without.
He has been making noises about this for a couple of years now...I’m not sure how much traction the idea is getting with others in the EU but nevertheless it’s a nice idea..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7465271.html
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 06:48
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Why on earth did your colleague want to trade in a nearly new car for the same model?
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You win the coconut. It was a Range Rover and I have no idea why she wanted to change it, but it is going, but will unsurprisingly not be replaced by another Range Rover. Quite a customer to lose as she has 5 of them that I am aware of.
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The plants were JL group ones.

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Old 19th Dec 2019, 06:50
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
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He has been making noises about this for a couple of years now...Iím not sure how much traction the idea is getting with others in the EU but nevertheless itís a nice idea..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7465271.html
That would be of interest to quite a few people I would guess . You could sign me up even though I have already got dual nationality!
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 08:01
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I would be prepared to pay up to say £500 a year for membership, that would be quite handy for the EU if a couple of million Remainers felt the same.

Mr.M I had a bit of an unfair advantage having been in the motor trade all my life and being aware of the dire build quality of that vehicle. A friend traded in his Bentley Sport on a new Autograph at about £105k. He got 60k for the Bentley, half what he paid two years and four thousand miles earlier. The R Rover has been a nightmare it's been in for repair more time than it's been on the road.
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