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Old 16th Dec 2019, 05:27
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After Brexit, I will be amused to see who the British government will decide to blame for their own failures after they are no longer able to blame the EU.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 05:33
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Originally Posted by B Fraser View Post
That rather depends on a number of things.
  • Who has the balance of trade
  • Who has the real ability to undercut the other party through reductions in tariffs
  • Who can deregulate more quickly, driving the movement in trade in the finance, insurance and banking sectors.
  • Who can be agile when negotiating deals with new partners such as APAC, MEA and LATAM.
It's going to be quite a year.
Trade balance: keep in mind EU exports to the UK are 3% of GDP, UK exports to EU are 15% of GDP.

Tariffs are on import, not export. So for something the UK is buying, not producing. The only way to significantly undercut the EU tariffs is to set them to zero. Are you sure you want to have no tariffs on USA and China imports? Are you sure they'll be interested in your exports given their goods generally have lower prices? Good luck with that.

Finance, etc, already are a big part of your economy. I doubt you'll be able to get a significant increase in this field, but I'm not an expert. Last time I've heard something about this they were saying that STABILITY is the most important factor for finance and insurance companies...

Emerging markets: the EU already have trading deals with this countries, you'll have to make new agreements and appear more competitive than the EU. See point #2.


One last thing. All this fancy words like "efficiency", "productivity", "flexibility" are generally not a good thing for workers. Be careful in the future, because I fear someone will asking more "fancy words" soon after leaving the EU.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 06:30
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1 View Post
After Brexit, I will be amused to see who the British government will decide to blame for their own failures after they are no longer able to blame the EU.
forget it, they will keep on blaming the EU:
'The Eu is still in denial', 'They want us to pay into their coffers...',...
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 07:00
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1 View Post
After Brexit, I will be amused to see who the British government will decide to blame for their own failures after they are no longer able to blame the EU.
Change the word "government" to "press". It is the UK anti EU press that has constantly peddled and bigged up falsehood such as straight cucumbers and bananas. HM government generally just ran with them.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 10:12
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All this fancy words like "efficiency", "productivity", "flexibility" are generally not a good thing for workers. Be careful in the future, because I fear someone will asking more "fancy words" soon after leaving the EU.
......... hmm ......... am I the only one thinking of working conditions at Amazon?
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 12:14
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Originally Posted by Gargleblaster View Post
Have you, before complaining about the contribution, considered the net advantages that the UK has had through it's EU membership ?

If you don't want to stay, then leave for God's sake, we're all sick of this. The remaining 27 EU countries have done nothing to prevent you from leaving, immediately for that sake. No, you can't complain about your former parliament, it was elected by the people.
The remaining 27 EU heads of state continually agreed to Brexit extensions, if they had not done so we would have been forced out long ago, so to some extent they are partly culpable? Perhaps the population of mainland Europe is sick of Brexit, we are, but that does not appear to be the case of the people actually running the commission - surely?

’Yes’ the general UK electorate can complain about the previous parliament. By far, far away the majority of MP’s In 2017 were elected on manifestos to respect the result of the 2016 referendum and complete Brexit and get us out of the EU, but then reneged on that manifesto promise when push came to shove.

The UK electorate were not to be fooled again and that is why the Labour Party has had it’s ars! right royally spanked and given back on a gold plated, copper bottomed platter.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 12:46
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
The remaining 27 EU heads of state continually agreed to Brexit extensions, if they had not done so we would have been forced out long ago, so to some extent they are partly culpable?
Yellowtriumph !
Be careful what you write : "the EU is culpable because they granted us what we were asking for"...;-)
What is it exactly that you would want from the EU ? Should it say Yes ? No ? Let go of you ? Keep you in the Union ?

Just tell us what you want, and we will give it to you. Err, wait a minute, we won't give it to you...I mean, well, err what was it that you wanted, btw ?

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Old 16th Dec 2019, 13:02
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It maybe the British Electorate that has go its arse royally spanked, when all the dust has settled on this over the next 10-20 years. This is the start of a long process for all concerned. It will be interesting to see how your new trade discussions go. I was, (and still am a Remainer), but the populace have obviously got bored with Brexit, and voted on it in the election, and now you have to get on with it. Personally we moved our business to Germany after the referendum, and wild horses would not bring me back to the UK apart from when I fly home at weekends.I look forward to meeting UK trade delegation's on my various journeys around the world, and finding out how well or not things are going. I do find that a more accurate assessment than that of the UK press, or indeed government of what ever persuasion. As an early heads up, you may want to observe what will happen to certain UK car plants (not those already mentioned) in the coming 12 months following a conversation I had with a some what senior (car exec as I found out) in a 3rd world bar when he was on leave.

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Old 16th Dec 2019, 13:04
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The UK electorate were not to be fooled again and that is why the Labour Party has had itís ars! right royally spanked and given back on a gold plated, copper bottomed platter.
Now there 's a classic example of how members of the population can be led to believe in something which, with a little thought and investigation can be established as being untrue. The electorate were totally fooled again and the 'why' of the result was down to a corrupt electoral system ... count votes for the Tories as against the total for other Parties ... difficult in JB, for some reason, but well worth the effort!
Given YT's grasp of maths, he/she will, no doubt, agree with the Beeb's pronouncement that increasing a Party's vote count by over 1.3 million was a total wipeout! (the triumphant, overwhelmingly popular Buffoon-followers managed a fifth of that number, but who's counting!)
Thinks : I wonder if the UK's position in the World Education League table is a contributory factor in citizen innumeracy?
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 13:11
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
Yellowtriumph
It maybe the British Electorate that has go its arse royally spanked, when all the dust has settled on this over the next 10-20 years. This is the start of a long process for all concerned. It will be interesting to see how your new trade discussions go. I was, (and still am a Remainer), but the populace have obviously got bored with Brexit, and voted on it in the election, and now you have to get on with it. Personally we moved our business to Germany after the referendum, and wild horses would not bring me back to the UK apart from when I fly home at weekends.I look forward to meeting UK trade delegation's on my various journeys around the world, and finding out how well or not things are going. I do find that a more accurate assessment than that of the UK press, or indeed government of what ever persuasion. As an early heads up, you may want to observe what will happen to certain UK car plants (not those already mentioned) in the coming 12 months following a conversation I had with a some what senior (car exec as I found out) in a 3rd world bar when he was on leave.

Kind regards
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Yes, we will have to wait and see.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 13:16
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
The UK electorate were not to be fooled again and that is why the Labour Party has had itís ars! right royally spanked and given back on a gold plated, copper bottomed platter.
Now there 's a classic example of how members of the population can be led to believe in something which, with a little thought and investigation can be established as being untrue. The electorate were totally fooled again and the 'why' of the result was down to a corrupt electoral system ... count votes for the Tories as against the total for other Parties ... difficult in JB, for some reason, but well worth the effort!
Given YT's grasp of maths, he/she will, no doubt, agree with the Beeb's pronouncement that increasing a Party's vote count by over 1.3 million was a total wipeout! (the triumphant, overwhelmingly popular Buffoon-followers managed a fifth of that number, but who's counting!)
Thinks : I wonder if the UK's position in the World Education League table is a contributory factor in citizen innumeracy?
I would offer you a fulsome reply, but as you have fallen into the remainer spurious insult trap I won't engage.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 13:20
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Are you really a Cornishman?
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 13:24
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̶k̶n̶c̶ CJ, give it a rest, you're becoming tedious. Apart from you and a couple of others no one gives a f**k about percentages or a corrupt electoral system
Conservatives WON, Labour LOST end of.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 15:38
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Canada style deal. Maybe pimped up around the edges.. everyone moves on and wonders what all the fuss was about.. UK media loses interest in EU machinations and finds the next toy to kick about , for example in the BBC’s case. ‘Boris betrays northern working class” ... relentlessly for 5 years ..
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 16:26
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̶k̶n̶c̶ CJ, give it a rest, you're becoming tedious. Apart from you and a couple of others no one gives a f**k about percentages or a corrupt electoral system
Conservatives WON, Labour LOST end of.
Interesting assumption there! You have somehow acquired the much coveted ability to read the minds of the UK population and thus feel justified in speaking for them. A gentle caution - that is worryingly close to a form of mania demonstrated by some awfully nasty people (including your Leader). Voltaire was rather more sanguine and intelligent about it ... oh Hell - that will never do - he was one of those awful Europeans! While you enjoy the 'Fruits of Victory' ponder on what happens to fruit in fairly short order.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 16:54
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As we all know, Capital is the accumulation of previously expropriated surplus wage labour.
So all purchases of stuff like shares, land and property, ought to be much more heavily taxed. At each individual's marginal tax rate. Both for the buyer and the seller.
That would soon raise enough pennies for the NHS.
And we can do it once we are out of the EU.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 17:46
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You have somehow acquired the much coveted ability to read the minds of the UK population and thus feel justified in speaking for them
Don't need to be a mind reader to know that you are one unhappy bunny, you are trying to justify PR, not going to happen, suck it up.

Again, Conservatives WON, Labour LOST, do all the maths you want, it won't change the result
Just a reminder, Boris is YOUR leader as well

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Old 16th Dec 2019, 19:00
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Shall I take that as a no then?
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 21:05
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
As we all know, Capital is the accumulation of previously expropriated surplus wage labour.
So all purchases of stuff like shares, land and property, ought to be much more heavily taxed. At each individual's marginal tax rate. Both for the buyer and the seller.
That would soon raise enough pennies for the NHS.
And we can do it once we are out of the EU.
Interesting, how does and has the EU prevented any country from doing this ? AFAIK EU has nada to say about how the member states tax their citizens.

I'm getting the feeling that British people have all kinds of strange ideas about what the EU prevents them from doing ! No wonder...

Or are you joking ? If so, I walked right into the trap, shame on me.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 21:05
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
The remaining 27 EU heads of state continually agreed to Brexit extensions, if they had not done so we would have been forced out long ago, so to some extent they are partly culpable? Perhaps the population of mainland Europe is sick of Brexit, we are, but that does not appear to be the case of the people actually running the commission - surely?

íYesí the general UK electorate can complain about the previous parliament. By far, far away the majority of MPís In 2017 were elected on manifestos to respect the result of the 2016 referendum and complete Brexit and get us out of the EU, but then reneged on that manifesto promise when push came to shove.

The UK electorate were not to be fooled again and that is why the Labour Party has had itís ars! right royally spanked and given back on a gold plated, copper bottomed platter.
Yes Labour has its arse slapped and deservedly so but letís not forget that the ERG were also instrumental in ensuring that all three votes under Mrs May were heavily opposed. They were as responsible for the lack of progress in the last parliament as labour were. It will be interesting to see how Boris deals with them over the next few months..whether he is going to go for their type of Brexit or whether he will throw them under the bus as he did with the DUP.
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