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Old 12th Oct 2019, 08:49
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Bulldog89, you forget about the trade deals the UK is about to make. Getting a trade deal with the EU will be the easiest deal ever and the USA is waiting for their ‘special’ friend! (As long as it benefits the USA)

Even if the trade deal with the EU proves a bit more difficult then expected we always have the Palestinian Authority to step up to the tune of £25m. Not sure what you worry about. The EU will suffer more then the UK.

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Old 12th Oct 2019, 09:50
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The EU will suffer more then the UK.
Hehehe ;-)
The Leave campaign must have been funny : 'let us leave so that the EU will suffer more than us'.

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Old 12th Oct 2019, 10:40
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Are we there yet, mum?
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 10:44
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Hehehe ;-)
The Leave campaign must have been funny : 'let us leave so that the EU will suffer more than us'.
That is almost what was said.
"The EU will be desperate to give us a good deal because they will be in a terrible financial state without all our contributions and trade."

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Old 12th Oct 2019, 10:45
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Anyone else notice how the more optimistic the noises coming from the EU about a deal are the more worried Boris seems to look? He knows it is going to be a disaster any which way and was planning on making a lot of political gain by being able to blame the EU for a no-deal. If they call his bluff and say there's a deal there they can accept then the buck will land very firmly in front of him. All his political life he's tried to avoid that. Witness his first disappearing act as soon as the result of the referendum was announced.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 10:46
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Are we there yet, mum?
No, son. You should have gone before we left !
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 11:06
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BV - A bit of advice from experience - getting drunk does NOT improve anyone's intellectual capacity! Presumably your outburst made you feel better so hurrah! for that.
In aviation terms, it could be regarded as a truism that leaving one's aircraft without good cause would be foolish and unnecessarily dangerous! I speak as one who left the safety of the balloon at WotG without the reassurance of a reserve - the concentration of mental effort ensures there will never be a repeat! And so it is with our present shambles. To voluntarily forgo the proven smooth functioning of our EU membership for some unplanned 'pie-in-the-sky' venture into 'who knows what', can only be regarded as foolish adventurism, particularly when the impetus is the repair of a broken political system. The enthusiasm of the young for all things new is understandable on the grounds of immaturity but the middle-aged have no such excuse. You appear to believe that I am attempting to 'convert' leavers - ... afraid NOT! The ability to recognise lost causes is another advantage of age and experience; however, I do quite like to make sure that fairness is served by the inclusion of ALL relevant facts, not just those which are convenient to one side of the argument.
I won't offer sympathy for any hangover you may be suffering, self-inflicted injury is pretty stupid ... and was, at one time, an offence in the mlitary!
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 11:12
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Anyone else notice how the more optimistic the noises coming from the EU about a deal are the more worried Boris seems to look? He knows it is going to be a disaster any which way and was planning on making a lot of political gain by being able to blame the EU for a no-deal. If they call his bluff and say there's a deal there they can accept then the buck will land very firmly in front of him. All his political life he's tried to avoid that. Witness his first disappearing act as soon as the result of the referendum was announced.
Actually, I thought he was looking more smug by the minute. And a 'disappearing act is the last thing Boris is capable of, even if he wanted to, Its just that the two-thirds of the Commons desperate to avoid leaving, (but who still voted by a massive majority to trigger article 50) and the media have been so busy plugging the remain option he has found it difficult to get a look in. He tried (and failed, not for want of trying, but got shafted by Gove) to get elected as Cameron's successor - hardly a 'disappearing act'.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 11:17
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Boris Backs Down?

Huge concerns expressed by British industry and completely dismissive attitude from Eu who do not really recognize Boris as a legitimate authority to negotiate with after the Supreme Court decision

Obviously even the blonde buffoon has realized that being PM after a no deal Brexit would be such a poisoned chalice that even his friends on the Daily Liar, Borisgraph and Daily Sexpress will struggle to fix.

Of course is almost as mucha genius as Trump given his ability to predict and promise the future and just two reminders of this are

'Leaving without a deal is a million to one chance' he then went on to sabotage Theresa May's efforts st every stage to ensue her downfall.

Boris during a visit to Northern Ireland in February 2016, said Brexit would leave border arrangements "absolutely unchanged".

and they called Tony Bliar

But the will of the people must prevail even if everything said before the referendum was at best inaccurate or for the most part totally untrue
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 12:59
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
You appear to believe that I am attempting to 'convert' leavers - ... afraid NOT! The ability to recognise lost causes is another advantage of age and experience
BV seems to fear that someone should convince him, or having him change his mind, or that of any leaver.
Maybe that's the difference between having a considered opinion vs clinging to a belief ?

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Old 12th Oct 2019, 16:00
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Thanks for your concern.

I felt absolutely fine this morning.

You guys make me laugh. Some of you just don’t see the irony and hippocracy in your posts.

You repeatedly post about how Brexiteers are brainwashed and delusional yet you apparently can’t see beyond the end of your nose.

Apparently remainers are, by definition, correct in your eyes. Their opinions are considered and highly intellectual.

Brexiteers are automatically wrong and stupid. Anyone supporting Brexit and in a position of power is apparently just ‘on the take’ and in it to help their rich cronies.

There are intelligent people on both sides of the debate. Many on here believe that one side got all the brains and that only they can be correct.

Only when (if) Brexit gets done and a settling in period has passed will we know if the doom mongers were truly correct.

Having said all of that, the only reason I actually posted was that my (slightly) drunken self was dumbstruck that CJ is still posting his diatribe about the 17.4 million being a minority blah blah blah.

I will just add that I can’t wait to be all grown up like you guys and able to form such sensible opinions. Thankyou for your counsel. I am truly indebted to you all.

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Old 12th Oct 2019, 16:10
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Hippocracy: What democracy turns into when all of the politicians in your country are hippos. (Source: Urban Dictionary)
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 16:26
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Hippocracy: What democracy turns into when all of the politicians in your country are hippos. (Source: Urban Dictionary)
Thank you for that, I thought hippocracy was when politicians were all gay horses... very "camp". I've had a few gay horses, with their "willies" so long they nearly tripped over them... They must have been acquaintances of our Prime Stud's american "bit on the side"... ("bit on the side" when talking horses? must be reining in, still, better than pole dancing)
Excuse my pedancy but is not the plural of hippo... hippies? Oh, I can see horse! (Sea horse... hippocampus... get it? one must be "brainy")
https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/04/ex-mo...-dks-10860375/

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Old 12th Oct 2019, 16:50
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
I felt absolutely fine this morning.

You guys make me laugh. Some of you just don’t see the irony and hippocracy in your posts.

You repeatedly post about how Brexiteers are brainwashed and delusional yet you apparently can’t see beyond the end of your nose.

Apparently remainers are, by definition, correct in your eyes. Their opinions are considered and highly intellectual.

Brexiteers are automatically wrong and stupid. Anyone supporting Brexit and in a position of power is apparently just ‘on the take’ and in it to help their rich cronies.

There are intelligent people on both sides of the debate. Many on here believe that one side got all the brains and that only they can be correct.

Only when (if) Brexit gets done and a settling in period has passed will we know if the doom mongers were truly correct.

Having said all of that, the only reason I actually posted was that my (slightly) drunken self was dumbstruck that CJ is still posting his diatribe about the 17.4 million being a minority blah blah blah.

I will just add that I can’t wait to be all grown up like you guys and able to form such sensible opinions. Thankyou for your counsel. I am truly indebted to you all.

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"Correct" about what?
There was a vote, the result was BREXIT. The majority of voters said LEAVE, so the UK is leaving (or at least trying to) and leavers MUST defend their right to leave the EU. That's democracy.

But saying that the EU will suffer more than the UK, that everything is going to be amazing, that the UK is tied down by the EU...well, that's a big load of you know what. Is the EU going to benefit from brexit? Nope. Is the UK going to benefit from brexit? Nope. Is the USA going to benefit from brexit? Yes. Is China going to benefit from brexit? Maybe.

You'll be in the most difficult position ever: everyone knows you're desperate for trading deals, so you'll be on the weakest side of the negotiating table pretty much every single time. In addition to that your PM is constantly insulting the EU, which actually represents 50% of your exports and will always be your geographically closest trading partner. How do you think this will influence future negotiations?
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 17:08
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
BV seems to fear that someone should convince him, or having him change his mind, or that of any leaver.
Maybe that's the difference between having a considered opinion vs clinging to a belief ?
And therein lies the rub. Remainers think and believe that they would win at a new referendum and Leavers believe they will still win.

There has been no decision whether a referendum would even give the option for remaining.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 17:35
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No doubt many will recall those interesting programmes entitled "What have the Romans / Victorians / Edwardians etc ever done for us ? ".......here's a new one, yet to be aired I admit "What have those damned sponging immigrants ever done for us ! " ( title adapted for the benefit of those who subscribe to this doctrine ....of which I'm not one )

Quite a lot it seems.......but hey, who needs a healthy GDP when a recession is so much more fun......

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ess-investment
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 22:47
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
No doubt many will recall those interesting programmes entitled "What have the Romans / Victorians / Edwardians etc ever done for us ? ".......here's a new one, yet to be aired I admit "What have those damned sponging immigrants ever done for us ! " ( title adapted for the benefit of those who subscribe to this doctrine ....of which I'm not one )

Quite a lot it seems.......but hey, who needs a healthy GDP when a recession is so much more fun......

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ess-investment
Yes, brings back memories of classic lines from Monty Python Life of Brian--" What have the Romans done for us ? ----(apart from building aqueducts /making it safe to walk the streets at night/ etc etc etc----) --NOTHING ! "
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 23:01
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17.4 million
As soon as I hear this from " the usual suspects " , my eyes start to glaze over ....

( strangely enough , I don't often hear " 16.2 million " cropping up in discussions . Therein lies the rub ).
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Old 13th Oct 2019, 01:13
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You could describe the UK as being ’groomed’ over many years, by journalists of the calibre of straight banana Blow Job. To have been conned into swallowing whole, Brexit, is halfwhitted, aggressive and dangerously nostalgic. The UK , if we leave,is in for a brutal chastening.Now councils are declaring bankruptcy, food banks are growing and the NHS is in crisis, which, when all the EU medics who currently prop it up,piss off will be third world.
It doesn’t seem to me that we, as a country can withstand Brexit, no matter how sanctimoniously and fervently,roughly half of ‘us’ may desire it, and yet over the cliff we go.
It’s a terrifying prospect, made more terrifying by the staggering ineptitude of our politicians and the chaos reigning in parliament. Go it alone? Right now, Britain doesn’t seem like a country that could punch its way out of a wet paper bag!
The Irish are rightly incandescent about the mess this abysmally-handled process is making of the hard-won peace in Northern Ireland, while the rest of the EU looks on with a justifiable degree of schadenfreude.Social cohesion in this country has been ****** and may well remain so for a generation.All this ostensibly, to ‘save’ the soul of the Conservative party and may well destroy it! It is with no compunction or heavy heart I say **** BREXIT!

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Old 13th Oct 2019, 04:55
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Leaving aside the programme had rather too much of Ed gushing forth, and his amazement that a tug was required to push back an aircraft from the stand ( the aircraft did weigh a bit more than 7000kg it has to be said ) there were some serious aspects and commentary in the programme, notably the effects of delays due to checks and paperwork that could be in place if, and when, Boris's cunning plan actually gets activated.....the fragility of the supply chain made for interesting viewing......as did the potential for the livelihood of those directly involved to be adversely affected.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...es-1-2-seafood

Another downside will be the surplus to requirements baskets in pubs once scampi, and chemically contaminated chicken, are off the menu......

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