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Old 11th Oct 2019, 11:40
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So are you admitting there are or were leave options?
Of course there are. What have we been debating for the last 3 years.

There are also many forms of remain from full EU state with joint army and us entering the Euro to the UK on the sidelines with our veto. The remain vote was and still is as split between these various outcomes as the leave vote, arguably more so. This is conveniently forgotten.

The only sensible course of action was to hold a referendum to see which general direction in or out the majority wanted and then head in that direction as a nation with our elected politicians and our civil servants acting in our best interests. . What came next in either option was always going to be the result of years of negotiations and deals over successive governments.

You could of course run a second referendum respecting the decision to leave made in 2016, but only having the available leave options on the paper- would that satisfy you?
No, because once you get down to the actual detail of the various options it becomes much more specialist and requires a greater depth of knowledge of each option than most people need or should be required to have. We employ and entrust politicians and civil servants to do that for us. We just needed to let them know whether the population wanted that future to be inside or outside the EU and it was decided.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 13:32
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I voted REMAIN as did my wife and we are both over 80! We now cannot wait to LEAVE although we expect to die before that happens!
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 16:46
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"We just needed to let them know whether the population wanted that future to be inside or outside the EU "
Well, well, well! and to think that the following was considered irrelevant!!
17.4m people voted to Leave - that is a minority of the population of the UK . To paraphrase a past PM who understood decency, honesty and trustworthiness (come back, 'Uncle Harold'!) ..." Facts, dear boy, Facts!"
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 17:15
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 20:13
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Oh, Come, come Nutloose - it can't be that bad, surely? Did you not realise, when you voted for your leave fantasy, that there might be a bit of resistance from the realists? Never mind, just keep taking the tablets, listen to the reassurances from your vacantly grinning Leader and someone will be around shortly to clear up the mess! It will take some time and the results will be less than Utopian but we Brits can jolly well take it on the chin! We'll show Johnny Foreigner that he can't put one over on US! So just hang in there, Nutloose - we didn't lose an Empire for nothing you know!
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 21:13
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Hi all,
Just back from a week in deep Germany, with many people from the "the evil empire" and other places, Russia, Australia, Switzerland, China, USA, and even some British citizens.
All very friendly and not afraid to mix up withe other nations, very refreshing indeed.

But you know what, I missed you guys, the 'Project Fear' believers, the 'once we're free from the EU shackles', the 'We're net contributors' people.

Can you imagine, traveling freely through France, Germany, the Netherlands, with the same currency, no customs, seamless operation of cellphone seconds after landing !

Fortunately there is the Brexit subject on PPRuNe to remind me that some clear-sighted gentlemen here are devoting their energy to the enlightment of us poor Europeans or Remainers who don't realize we are living in chains and shackles ;-)

So what happened during this week away from the realities of the UK ?

BJ appears disposed to consider the Border-in-the-Irish-sea. It took him some time to realize what has been advocated here for months
Enjoyed the vote of appreciation about the exoskeleton performance. Envisaging to use some smart developments in the Evil-Empire (my own place, actually) to help build a digital customs systems for the UK seems a bit over enthusisastic.

Remember, leave is leave, so better learn how to not take advantage of things done in the EU.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 21:18
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CJ

Warning: it is late (where I am) and I am drunk.

People like yourself genuinely fascinate me.

You have probably been on this Earth twice as long as I have. However, in all your years you appear to have neglected the part of your education that should have been devoted to listening to and comprehending other viewpoints.

You honestly believe you are utterly correct. Well done.

You inhabit one side of the argument. As you can probably tell by now, several people disagree with you.

You are very unlikely to change their minds any more than they will change yours.

Why do you persist? This is an Internet chat room. It is (allegedly) devoted to people in the flying fraternity. You are not going to change the world.

If you really believe your tired little argument has merit take it to the streets of London. I would suggest you have singularly failed to convert a single person to your way of thinking on here.

Apologies if this seems confrontational but with a fresh set of (drunken) eyes it appears you have been banging the same drum for months now and it is no more valid now than it was when you first started.

You will, of course, disagree but guess what? I will be asleep in three minutes and probably won’t care.

Night, night.

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Old 11th Oct 2019, 21:21
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Night Bob, sweet dreams of naked nubile women jumping over fences, far better than Welsh lamb.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 21:48
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Night Bob, sweet dreams of naked nubile women jumping over fences, far better than Welsh lamb.
Is that what you get from being drunk? In my 63 years on this planet I have been drunk three times.. and cannot remember nubiles women jumping over fences!!!! I think I am going to take it up, sounds fun.
Welcome back Fly, hope you enjoyed your staycation at home. I shall miss the enjoyment of reading this thread when it's all over in a few days and article 50 has been revoked... Hope the Pound Sterling will get back up because going to France nowadays is more and more expensive!!!
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 22:18
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
. . . . and the results will be less than Utopian but we Brits can jolly well take it on the chin!:
Sadly, the new world you seem to anticipate with glee will indeed be "less than Utopian", it will be positively distopian.
But like simmy, I shan't be obliged to suffer it for long.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 22:25
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I doubt if anyone questions your mathematics. It's your understanding of the system of voting which is in doubt.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 22:27
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Hi all,
Just back from a week in deep Germany, with many people from the "the evil empire" and other places, Russia, Australia, Switzerland, China, USA, and even some British citizens.
All very friendly and not afraid to mix up withe other nations, very refreshing indeed.

But you know what, I missed you guys, the 'Project Fear' believers, the 'once we're free from the EU shackles', the 'We're net contributors' people.

Can you imagine, traveling freely through France, Germany, the Netherlands, with the same currency, no customs, seamless operation of cellphone seconds after landing !

Fortunately there is the Brexit subject on PPRuNe to remind me that some clear-sighted gentlemen here are devoting their energy to the enlightment of us poor Europeans or Remainers who don't realize we are living in chains and shackles ;-)

So what happened during this week away from the realities of the UK ?

BJ appears disposed to consider the Border-in-the-Irish-sea. It took him some time to realize what has been advocated here for months
Enjoyed the vote of appreciation about the exoskeleton performance. Envisaging to use some smart developments in the Evil-Empire (my own place, actually) to help build a digital customs systems for the UK seems a bit over enthusisastic.

Remember, leave is leave, so better learn how to not take advantage of things done in the EU.

What an ignorant rant.

Using the old leftist argument or more accurately, shut down mechanism of calling the other side racist and xenophobic. Oh how original. And not worthy of a reply.

As for using a single currency. It is instructive to note that there was much enthusiasm in the UK for joining the Euro within the same group who support staying in the EU. It would be so advantageous they said. It would be so convenient they said. People like Blair.

Well maybe you should do a little bit of research.

There was another article saying had the UK joined the Euro it would have been a disaster. See links at the bottom.

In fact only two countries using the Euro have actually benefited from it, one is the Netherlands, the other of course being Germany. To the tune of over US$2 TRILLION. And growing each year. Anybody with any intelligence would have realised using a single currency was idiotic. Because a major way an economy adjusts to changing economic conditions is for its currency to adjust or float up or down.

Mobile phones? Seriously. So you think that when the UK leaves the EU then that automatically means that all communication between them and the rest of Europe or maybe even the whole world will stop. There will be no working or cooperating with any other country about anything ever again. I think the UK is capable of acting like adults and can continue working with the EU. It is clear it is the EU who are the children. But when you are led by the alcoholic buffoon Jean-Claude Junker I guess we cannot expect too much from them.

The same goes for travel and customs. Before the great disastrous project of the Unites States of Europe aka the EU kicked off, there was something called the EEC. Which was fundamentally free trade and free movement of people.

Again if the EU wishes to act like adults then I am sure that free trade agreements between the UK and EU countries can be put in place as many other countries have then such as Singapore. One utter disgrace is that the UK bureaucracy has not already got blueprints for them already . As for movement of people , that was abused by Mama Merkel allowing a million people of questionable backgrounds into Germany hence Europe. Have a word to her.

One thing the doom and gloom fear mongers remainers forget is that from a trade perspective, the EU has more to lose than the UK as there is a massive trade surplus to the EU. Can people seriously image the heads of major EU corporations like VW, BMW, etc allowing idiots like Mama Merkel or that insipid cretin who married his pedophile teacher old enough to be his mother Macron to screw them over because of their egos? Do you really think they will be happy to lose an established high income market of over 70 million people .

https://www.theguardian.com/business...what-if-joined


https://www.dw.com/en/cep-study-germ...UzgX65wkoiZYm8


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/wh...ts-nobel-priz/

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Old 11th Oct 2019, 22:54
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Originally Posted by alicopter View Post
Welcome back Fly, hope you enjoyed your staycation at home. I shall miss the enjoyment of reading this thread when it's all over in a few days and article 50 has been revoked... Hope the Pound Sterling will get back up because going to France nowadays is more and more expensive!!!
Hey alicopter, nice to catch up with you 'Brexit' lot.
Au contraire, I'll bet things will get really funny when it all begins in earnest.

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Old 11th Oct 2019, 23:29
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Originally Posted by alicopter View Post
Is that what you get from being drunk? In my 63 years on this planet I have been drunk three times.. and cannot remember nubiles women jumping over fences!!!! I think I am going to take it up, sounds fun.
Welcome back Fly, hope you enjoyed your staycation at home. I shall miss the enjoyment of reading this thread when it's all over in a few days and article 50 has been revoked... Hope the Pound Sterling will get back up because going to France nowadays is more and more expensive!!!
3 times ! You clearly aren’t ready for Brexit ! That is seriously hopeless, unless of course you have a medical condition, in which case I apologize.

Mobile phones will continue to work even in non EU
countries e.g Switzerland/ Norway / Iceland its all about business after all . Travel will be seamless especially for “ refugees” into mainland Europe and the Euro will still be an orphan currency which benefits one or two countries .. no more.
I’m not a big Thatcher fan but I thank her for keeping the UK out of the single currency as for Cornhole Jack,s oblique reference to Wislon( sic) this was one of the most corrupt operators we have ever had to endure .

Anyway the pound has strengthened today the stock market has rebounded .. good times for short term trades !
ps where on earth is deepest Germany , ( fly Apt) the Oktoberfest perhaps ? Brits always get along very well
at such gatherings .. ( more or less)

The 31st looms and the EU need their money without some sort of agreement that may not be forthcoming
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 05:02
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" What an ignorant rant.

Using the old leftist argument or more accurately, shut down mechanism of calling the other side racist and xenophobic. Oh how original. And not worthy of a reply


Erm, priceless !.......the last bit in particular . If the post wasn't worthy of a reply, presumably your seven detailed and expansive paragraphs, three single lines, and three links were just space fillers then ?

Now, I may be semi or even totally illiterate, but I couldn't actually see anything in the post that could be defined as a "rant " or "racist " or "xenophobic " and trust me, over time we've had more than a few posts from stalwart patriotic Empire revering chaps on here who have successfully included the last two criteria.

Anyway, Mail / Excess and Sun headline writers are doubtless poised and hovering over their keyboards given recent developments ......their readership has expectations of the highest level of jingoistic fervour and histrionics after all.

More rational people however, will be far more interested to learn the details of any proposed breakthrough and in particular, the small print or anything which is carefully hidden and which may prove embarrassing should it emerge.

That, and anything involving Boris should be treated with more wariness than encountering any predator in their natural habitat. Whatever emerges, it will be more to do with Boris, first and foremost.

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Old 12th Oct 2019, 07:06
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One thing the doom and gloom fear mongers remainers forget is that from a trade perspective, the EU has more to lose than the UK as there is a massive trade surplus to the EU.
Gosh, I thought we had got past that particular piece of nonsense a while ago...You were going so well 'm surprised you didn't mention prosecco
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 08:13
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Anyway, Mail / Excess and Sun headline writers are doubtless poised and hovering over their keyboards given recent developments ......their readership has expectations of the highest level of jingoistic fervour and histrionics after all.

More rational people however, will be far more interested to learn the details of any proposed breakthrough and in particular, the small print or anything which is carefully hidden and which may prove embarrassing should it emerge.

That, and anything involving Boris should be treated with more wariness than encountering any predator in their natural habitat. Whatever emerges, it will be more to do with Boris, first and foremost.
If a deal does emerge the credit should go to Varadkar. His country stands to suffer badly from a no deal Brexit.
The rest of the EU are rightly insisting on protecting Ireland, and if Varadkar can get a deal that he is content with they will be too.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 08:20
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Papajuliet what cj tends to forget is that even fewer people voted to remain. Those who did not vote cannot be added to either side. Even if you take a 50/50 split then leave still got more votes.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 08:23
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
If a deal does emerge the credit should go to Varadkar. His country stands to suffer badly from a no deal Brexit.
The rest of the EU are rightly insisting on protecting Ireland, and if Varadkar can get a deal that he is content with they will be too.
That's fair comment and you have probably identified the reason (s) why there is now a reported surge of activity.

Unfortunately, even if this is the case, as we know from years of experience and exposure to him, Boris will seek to claim all the credit and hence the applause from some in the UK electorate and thus bolster the ego even further. Thankfully, there are still one or two other little issues for Boris to contend with which may yet prove to be his downfall......as featured on HIGNFY last night in fact.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 08:27
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Gosh, I thought we had got past that particular piece of nonsense a while ago...You were going so well 'm surprised you didn't mention prosecco
Don't waste your time with stuff like that...50% of UK trading is with the EU, less than 10% of EU trading is with the UK...still they're saying we have more to lose. Just tell them they're right and move on.
​No deal would have been a good lesson for people like him.
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