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Old 8th Oct 2019, 09:11
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Originally Posted by bulldog89 View Post


And he still doesn't understand that he CAN'T make individual deals with EU countries as we're a block...

Anyway the true reasons for Brexit were crystal clear, get votes, get power. It has been even written on this forum some weeks ago.
I think you have mis-read the article, it says:

”...We will make clear privately and publicly that countries which oppose delay will go the front of the queue for future cooperation — cooperation on things both within and outside EU competences. ..”.

It uses the term “cooperation” it doesn’t use the term “individual deals”. These terms obviously mean different things in different areas of interest.

Whilst the accuracy of the Spectator article cannot be verified, if even parts of it are true then as Peston says its surprising it hasn’t received more attention.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 09:26
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So now having left ​​​​the club, we are threatening to throw bricks through the clubhouse windows.

This gets better and better...
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 09:31
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
So now having left ​​​​the club, we are threatening to throw bricks through the clubhouse windows.

This gets better and better...
BJ is just trying to copy Trump. Only thing he forgets is that the UK has a much smaller economy then the US and as a result has a lot less weight to throw about.

Unfortunately it shows to the rest of Europe (and the world) to which depths the UK government has sunk.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 09:33
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
What I mean about the BBC is that all its news seems to be slagging off Boris Johnson. Every slur, however flimsy, is five star banner headlines on the News.

I have never noticed anything similar with past prime ministers or politicians.
Maybe we've never had politicians that publicly say such idiotic things in the past. So often.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 09:41
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Originally Posted by bulldog89 View Post

And he still doesn't understand that he CAN'T make individual deals with EU countries as we're a block...

Anyway the true reasons for Brexit were crystal clear, get votes, get power. It has been even written on this forum some weeks ago.
This had to be explained to Trump TEN TIMES by Merkel, so Boris is just following his big friend intellectually...
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 09:44
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
I think you have mis-read the article, it says:

”...We will make clear privately and publicly that countries which oppose delay will go the front of the queue for future cooperation — cooperation on things both within and outside EU competences. ..”.

It uses the term “cooperation” it doesn’t use the term “individual deals”. These terms obviously mean different things in different areas of interest..
The term "queue" let me think they want to give priority to some countries. Well, this is not possible, as the UK will have to deal with the entire EU at the same time.

To me a "queue" makes (little) sense only if the UK want to deal with different nations one by one, but of course could always write down a "list" like:
  1. EU
  2. end of list
It wouldn't surprise me that much these days...

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Old 8th Oct 2019, 10:09
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https://order-order.com/2019/10/08/n...l-killed-deal/

Following Boris’s call with Merkel in which she has refused to budge on the Northern Ireland border, a No. 10 spokesman has said:

‘The call with Merkel showed the EU has adopted a new position. She made clear a deal is overwhelmingly unlikely and she thinks the EU has a veto on us leaving the Customs Union. Merkel said that if Germany wanted to leave the EU they could do it no problem but the UK cannot leave without leaving Northern Ireland behind in a customs union and in full alignment forever. She said that Ireland is the government’s special problem and Ireland must at least have a veto on NI leaving. Merkel said that the PM should tell Northern Ireland that it must stay in full alignment forever, but that even this would not eliminate customs issues.

‘It was a very useful clarifying moment in all sorts of ways. If this represents a new established position, then it means a deal is essentially impossible not just now but ever. It also made clear that they are willing to torpedo the Good Friday Agreement’
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 10:13
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
So now having left ​​​​the club, we are threatening to throw bricks through the clubhouse windows.

This gets better and better...
No, only if we are not permitted to leave the club will bricks be thrown. If we leave the club it can carry on as it wishes.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 10:16
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Originally Posted by bulldog89 View Post


The term "queue" let me think they want to give priority to some countries. Well, this is not possible, as the UK will have to deal with the entire EU at the same time.

To me a "queue" makes (little) sense only if the UK want to deal with different nations one by one, but of course could always write down a "list" like:
  1. EU
  2. end of list
It wouldn't surprise me that much these days...

I think you still mis-understand the difference between the words cooperation and deal.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 10:19
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
I suggested, probably two years ago now, that a no deal Brexit could result in massive national debt, and the government having to call in the IMF to rescue the UK, as happened in the mid 60s under Harold Wilson.

This article, whilst it doesn't mention the IMF, does clearly point to some pretty severe consequences financially / economically from even a quite benign no deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49961301

I know that posters will be very quick to scream "project fear", but this report does come from a respected independent organisation, and the BBC aren't some flaky web based "news" outlet.
So how is the IFS funded?

The IFS receives the majority of its funding from the Economic and Social Research Council, the ESRC – 54% of total funding came from the the ESRC in 2014.

In addition to this the IFS receives some funding directly from the EU and a certain amount of funding directly from UK government departments. In 2014 this was 11% from the EU and 8% from government departments.

The proportion of funding the IFS gets from the EU has increased in recent years – from 5.9% of funding in 2009 to 11% in 2014 – the last year funding has been published.

Overall the IFS says that this funding has been worth €7.8m (£5.9m) since 2009, with €7.5m (£5.7m) of this figure coming from the European Research Council, (ERC).

ERC funding schemes are open to top researchers of any nationality or age who wish to carry out their research in the 28 EU member states or associated countries – including Norway and Israel.

Funding from other European Union agencies over this period – including the European Commission – totaled €300,000.

Specifically the IFS has received €241,000 from the European Commission since 2009. Each year this works out at an average 0.5% of their funding stream.

Are you sure the IFS are not bias with their assumptions?

I am certainly not disputing what they say, but when you are receiving money from the EU, it might not be considered neutral.


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Old 8th Oct 2019, 10:20
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post


No, only if we are not permitted to leave the club will bricks be thrown. If we leave the club it can carry on as it wishes.
It is not the EU that is stopping us from leaving, it is our own parliament! Not sure why bricks need to be thrown at the club house because the party leaving the club can’t make up their own mind.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 10:21
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Surprised this anonymous leak from No 10 isn’t leading the news on all channels........

https://twitter.com/peston/status/11...751035393?s=21

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/1...-negotiations/
It is now. Generally it's thought to be the real PM, Dominic Cummins. It's tone certainly suggests his style.

The blame game in full swing, blame the Paddies, blame the EU, blame parliament. Then there's the empty threats against EU countries who don't cooperate. Delusions of grandeur.

It's all rather pathetic. It's high time the opposition gets its act together and oust Dominic sorry BJ and try and restore sanity.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 10:39
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Reuters 8 Oct

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - More than 4 billion euros ($4.3 billion) of European Union funds were misspent last year, EU auditors estimated in a report released on Tuesday, which highlighted poor checks in receiving states on how the bloc’s funds are invested

The annual assessment is likely to fan the heated debate about the bloc’s next seven-year budget which Germany, the largest contributor to it, wants to cap below EU proposals meant to address new expenses on migration, social security and job-creation.

The European Court of Auditors (ECA), which is responsible for assessing the annual 155-billion-euro EU budget, estimated that an average of 2.6% of last year’s EU expenses were irregular, up from 2.4% the previous year.

Because of that, auditors could not give a clean-sheet assessment of the budget and issued a “qualified opinion” on the regularity of payments, the court said in a note.

The president of the court, Klaus-Heiner Lehne, said the irregularities detected were not a reason for big concern as they represented a small amount of the budget and were mostly caused by complex payment rules.

However, he warned about sectors in which higher levels of errors were found, especially when EU funds were paid as reimbursements for research, development projects in poorer regions of the bloc or aid to emerging economies outside the EU

Just to stop the rumours that the EU audits are not signed off. They are. But €4bn. ?
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 10:41
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post


I think you still mis-understand the difference between the words cooperation and deal.
So please, explain how can you cooperate without making a deal.
Maybe by lobbing some East European countries to try to tear apart the union YOU decided to leave? Because this would be even worse than trying to strike individual deals...
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 11:52
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post
So how is the IFS funded?

The IFS receives the majority of its funding from the Economic and Social Research Council, the ESRC – 54% of total funding came from the the ESRC in 2014.

In addition to this the IFS receives some funding directly from the EU and a certain amount of funding directly from UK government departments. In 2014 this was 11% from the EU and 8% from government departments.

The proportion of funding the IFS gets from the EU has increased in recent years – from 5.9% of funding in 2009 to 11% in 2014 – the last year funding has been published.

Overall the IFS says that this funding has been worth €7.8m (£5.9m) since 2009, with €7.5m (£5.7m) of this figure coming from the European Research Council, (ERC).

ERC funding schemes are open to top researchers of any nationality or age who wish to carry out their research in the 28 EU member states or associated countries – including Norway and Israel.

Funding from other European Union agencies over this period – including the European Commission – totaled €300,000.

Specifically the IFS has received €241,000 from the European Commission since 2009. Each year this works out at an average 0.5% of their funding stream.

Are you sure the IFS are not bias with their assumptions?

I am certainly not disputing what they say, but when you are receiving money from the EU, it might not be considered neutral.
I wondered when I wrote that posting how long it would take before one of the "usual suspects" brought up that old chestnut. The IFS obviously has to get it money from somewhere, after all it doesn't make or sell anything except research. Clients will pay it to do research on their behalf, and obviously he who pays the piper can call the tune. However, is there a shred of evidence that this piece of research published this week was funded by the EU Commission, any foreign government, the LibDems, the CBI or indeed anyone else with an axe to grind? Any anyway 0.5% of total funding hardly buys the EU influence.

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Old 8th Oct 2019, 12:22
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Boris-I will sabotage Eu, will reward states who see my point of view(just what with ??) I will damage others

trump-As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...

Thank god for Putin and Macron who are at least two sane people with their fingers on the nuke button.
As is already pointed out the Eu is a union there are not separate bits and its now clear Boris is going to try and borrow his way to fame .
And as made clear in an earlier post UK politics are now not about Brexit but protecting the wealthy and privileged and turning us into a two track economy, those with money, about 7% of the population at most , and those who serve the needs of people with money -basically pre Victorian England . i dont like or rate Corbyn but his for the many not the few is spot on.
And if you dont believe Johnson is a lying bully try checking out Donald Tusks post today




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Old 8th Oct 2019, 12:38
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
I wondered when I wrote that posting how long it would take before one of the "usual suspects" brought up that old chestnut. The IFS obviously has to get it money from somewhere, after all it doesn't make or sell anything except research. Clients will pay it to do research on their behalf, and obviously he who pays the piper can call the tune. However, is there a shred of evidence that this piece of research published this week was funded by the EU Commission, any foreign government, the LibDems, the CBI or indeed anyone else with an axe to grind? Any anyway 0.5% of total funding hardly buys the EU influence.
Are you saying that only publications that people like you approve off are allowed to be copied here? Are you trying to censor what can be posted?
I was merely pointing out that it has EU funding. You could have made that clear if you thought someone else would.

It's called balance. People can then view it and decide whether there is a bias towards it.

'Usual suspects' = anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I also added I didn't disagree with your link.
You really are trying to close down any news which shows a different opinion than yours.

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Old 8th Oct 2019, 12:40
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Ah yes, Tusks post.......although Boris appears to think otherwise. .....or rather a "close adviser " does.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 12:52
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post


Are you saying that only publications that people like you approve off are allowed to be copied here? Are you censoring what can be posted?
I was merely pointing out that it has EU funding. You could have made that clear if you thought someone else would.

It's called balance. People can then view it and decide whether there is a bias towards it.

I also added I didn't disagree with your link.
You really are trying to close down any news which shows a different opinion than yours.
No, I'm not suggesting any such thing, however there are a lot more dubious sources referenced on this thread than the BBC and IFS; some are referenced frequently. You don't achieve balance by referencing, or portraying as fact stuff banded about by shady posters on the internet from either standpoint. Personally I have no truck with most web only "news" sources; I suppose it's an age thing, and I do, where I can try and cross reference things I read to ensure as far as is possible that I'm not being sold a pup.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 17:20
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DOUBLE NEGATIVE?

The Benn Act says we cannot leave with a No Deal.

The EU will not agree a deal acceptable to BJ therefore there is No Deal.
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As there is No Deal we remain.

QED?
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