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Old 25th Sep 2019, 08:24
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Perhaps HM will come out punching: overule the court and refuse to accept any government until an election has shown the will of the people.
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 09:02
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
Perhaps HM will come out punching: overule the court and refuse to accept any government until an election has shown the will of the people.
Just a few days ago "the will of the people" was the referendum, and not the election results.
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 09:12
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This ever continuing saga of The Brexit is actually somewhat entertaining. Especially when one is not a participant.
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 09:14
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Leave the EU with No Deal in October 2019

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Leave the EU with No Deal in October 2019

Brexit is in chaos. Leave won in 2016 that should be honoured. In the 2016 debates, both sides stated this meant leaving the European Union, Customs Union, Single Market and European Court of Justice.

Government responded

This response was given on 24 September 2019

"The Prime Minister has been clear: we will leave the EU on 31 October. We’d prefer to do so with a deal, but if there isn’t movement from the EU on the backstop we will have to leave without one."

The Prime Minister has said that the UK will be leaving the EU on 31 October. The Government must respect the referendum result. We would prefer to leave with a deal and we will work in an energetic and determined way to get that better deal. The Government is committed to preparing for this outcome.

The Government is undertaking preparations to ensure that the UK and the public are fully ready for Brexit. All necessary funding has now been made available.

The Government has launched the single largest public information campaign, “Get Ready for Brexit”. As part of the campaign, the Government has also launched an online checker tool (Gov.uk/brexit) to identify actions that businesses and citizens can take to prepare. Prior to this, the Government published approximately 750 pieces of communications on No Deal since August 2018, including over 100 technical notices explaining to businesses and citizens what they need to do to prepare. Meanwhile, the Government has laid over 600 Brexit Statutory Instruments and Border Force has increased its headcount by around 900 officers between March 2018 and March 2019. The Government is also undertaking steps to secure additional freight capacity and has worked on preparations with suppliers and partners, meaning that our plans should ensure the supply of critical goods, including medicines and medical products, remain uninterrupted.

Preparations are being made by the Government to ensure we are ready by pursuing international agreements, including signing bilateral voting rights agreements with Spain, Portugal and Luxembourg and approaching all other Member States for similar agreements. The Government has reached trade agreements with partners worth around £90 billion of current trade, secured air services agreements with countries like Canada and the US permitting passenger flights and has ensured that all agreements required to enable continuity in civil nuclear trade are in place - including with Japan, Canada, US, Australia and the International Atomic Energy Agency.

However we leave the EU, the Government’s ambition is for a comprehensive, ambitious future partnership based on a best in class FTA. It will be a relationship based on international law, not EU law. It will be a relationship where the UK would have left the Customs Union so we would have control of our own trade so that we can strike deals with other global partners; we will no longer have to make financial contributions to the EU budget; we will control our own migration policy through an Australian style points-based system; our own laws and courts will be supreme within the UK; and only our Parliament would have the power to set our taxes.

The Prime Minister remains absolutely focused on delivering on the vote of the British people by taking us out of the European Union on 31 October.

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Old 25th Sep 2019, 11:31
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
If we are to take it at face value it is certainly a little odd that there was no "big debate" aired on bbc1 this evening (nor was the one in the schedules).

It's really sad how people post this sort of crap without even doing the most basic of credibility checking.

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Old 25th Sep 2019, 11:36
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Well said on the beach - people should be able to let off a bit of steam over the issue -even tho its got me banned once .

On the subject of humour , the pro leave papers tying themselves in knots trying to avoid yesterdays judgement and its implications-so what it s only the highest courtt in the the land-I suppose Boris could try the European Court of Justice I suppose.
Even Mr Integrity Nigel Farage feels Boris should go -misleading-ie Lying to the head of state , no big deal shes only a woman
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 11:53
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
our own laws and courts will be supreme within the UK; and only our Parliament would have the power to set our taxes.
;-)
Reading the posts here, it appears that the Supreme Court isn't that supreme within the UK...


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Old 25th Sep 2019, 12:31
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans
...and only our Parliament would have the power to set our taxes.
Or not as the case may be -

“I met with the U.K. officials earlier, and said, ‘You expect a trade agreement with the United States and the U.K. It will not happen with your digital services tax. Period. Full stop,” Sen. Ron Wyden (Ore.), the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, told reporters.
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 12:44
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Originally Posted by Expatrick View Post
Or not as the case may be -
We know that some naughty boys here are posting fake info just for the pleasure of seeing the naive take the bait ;-)
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 14:47
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“I met with the U.K. officials earlier, and said, ‘You expect a trade agreement with the United States and the U.K. It will not happen with your digital services tax. Period. Full stop,” Sen. Ron Wyden (Ore.), the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, told reporters.
A suitable rate of digital services tax would probably cover the loss of any potential new exports to the US, and we won't have to take their poisoned pork and beef. Win-win!
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 06:45
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
We know that some naughty boys here are posting fake info just for the pleasure of seeing the naive take the bait ;-)
Wasn't that the Leave campaign?
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 08:12
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It would seem that HMGov is still to produce any concrete porposals to the EU, despite what Mr. Jonhson claims;

From Reuters;

The European Union’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said on Thursday that Britain has yet to provide “legal and operational” proposals that could break the Brexit impasse.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN1WB0OC

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Old 26th Sep 2019, 08:12
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After watching the 'debate' in the House of commons yesterday, i think there is only one answer the EU should give the UK and that is: 'Bye, Bye on the 31st of October, have a nice day. Good Riddance'.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 08:20
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Bear in mind that Leavers are now a minority in the UK.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 08:26
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After watching the 'debate' in the House of commons yesterday, i think there is only one answer the EU should give the UK and that is: 'Bye, Bye on the 31st of October, have a nice day. Good Riddance'.
Yes please.

The alternative if the EU doesn't is that we stay in and do everything we can to destroy it from within. I'm sure that Mr Farage would see that as quite a good fun second prize.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 08:27
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Charles de Gaulle was right, much as I hate to agree with him. We are just not 'European' in our culture or view of the world. Sooner or later we will leave.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 08:51
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Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
After watching the 'debate' in the House of commons yesterday, i think there is only one answer the EU should give the UK and that is: 'Bye, Bye on the 31st of October, have a nice day. Good Riddance'.
First. thank for putting debate in " ".

Yesterday's combination of vituperation, abuse, rhetoric, arrogance and denial was a defining moment even by Boris's abysmal standards.

You are probably correct in saying the rest of the EU will be only too happy to see the departure of the UK.....same as a group are happy to see the departure of a disruptive individual at work or in a social group in fact. Again, the UK's famed petulance over the centuries has come to the fore.....we tend, well some elements of our society who are accustomed to getting their own way through birth and hereditary lineage, plus personal wealth that is, to revert to their nursery days when they don't get their own way.

For those who feel our stance is somehow " stalwart ", it may be worth remembering the rest of the world is watching, possibly not with overt interest, but watching all the same and after the dysfunctional performance of the UK over the last few years, now compounded by the arrival of Boris, ostensibly the "leader " of the UK with a minority Gov't, there are numerous countries in the world for whom these events are Karma given the UK has screwed most of them over at one time or another.

"Revenge is a dish best eaten cold " as the saying goes.......expect a lot of salad to appear on the political menus across the globe once the UK has flounced out of the EU.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 08:56
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It's been the most convincing demonstration of the need for electoral reform.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:17
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
First. thank for putting debate in " ".

Yesterday's combination of vituperation, abuse, rhetoric, arrogance and denial was a defining moment even by Boris's abysmal standards.

You are probably correct in saying the rest of the EU will be only too happy to see the departure of the UK.....same as a group are happy to see the departure of a disruptive individual at work or in a social group in fact. Again, the UK's famed petulance over the centuries has come to the fore.....we tend, well some elements of our society who are accustomed to getting their own way through birth and hereditary lineage, plus personal wealth that is, to revert to their nursery days when they don't get their own way.

For those who feel our stance is somehow " stalwart ", it may be worth remembering the rest of the world is watching, possibly not with overt interest, but watching all the same and after the dysfunctional performance of the UK over the last few years, now compounded by the arrival of Boris, ostensibly the "leader " of the UK with a minority Gov't, there are numerous countries in the world for whom these events are Karma given the UK has screwed most of them over at one time or another.

"Revenge is a dish best eaten cold " as the saying goes.......expect a lot of salad to appear on the political menus across the globe once the UK has flounced out of the EU.
KnC I often disagree with your posts on here. But in this case I could have written it myself word for word.

Somewhere a 21th century Gibbon will be starting to write his Decline and Fall.

What a sad time to be British.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:02
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As said this is most entertaining!

As a second guess anybody worth anything stays away from this all until things are even a little bit clearer.
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